Dave Marquez drop the ball and you barely hear from him. The company is good to have for local indies but that's it. On a national level, it's dead. UNLESS they can work out a deal to bring New Japan to US/Canada Primetime television.
The NWA over the years has seens its ups and downs, over the last 20 or so its has been mostly down. My question is just to anyone who cares to your reply. What are your thoughts on the legendary Organization? Do you ever see it creating a national company like WCW in the late 80's and early 90's and taking another stab at the WWE? Or like most do you feel like it is in a decline that it will never recover from? There next big show features a Main Event for the NWA world heavyweight title between champion Blue Demon,jr and Sicodelico,jr on Feb 26th. With no intended disrespect this is the first time I've ever even heard of Blue Demon. At the least they should put the belt back on Albright.
If you hadn't ever heard of Blue Demon Jr., you are probably not very familiar with the world of Lucha Libre or the recent NWA.
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Obviously they aren't doing too good today. They really lost any chance they had at regaining some prestige when TNA split away from them.
I honestly don't see what the point of it is today. I mean the name is worthless and the only benefit that I see of being in the NWA is that it could be easier to exchange talent with other indy companies and you can get the occasional visit from either the NWA World or Tag champions.
I don't believe you have any idea of what you are talking about? They aren't doing good? What is your definition of "doing good?"
The name isn't worthless, or else JAKKS Pacific wouldn't have entered into a licensing agreement with the NWA for 5 years. Or the NWA wouldn't be growing if the name was useless.
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NWA: On Fire actually airs on national television in Australia. It's a year or two old though, I don't even know if the promotion is still around. But I've seen wrestlers like Rob Conway, The Young Bucks, Awesome Kong, Eugene, Don Juan and others on there. It's kinda campy though. Half of it airs during UFC Wired so I usually don't bother.
The show you are watching in Australia is NWA Pro Wrestling, the wrestling promotion owned by Dave Marquez. What you are watching is a repacked live taped events, the NWA Showcase, and the NWA Wrestling Summit from the past few years. Yes these shows are old, but its pretty cool that you are able to watch a collection of shows that aren't readily available in the US.
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Dave Marquez drop the ball and you barely hear from him. The company is good to have for local indies but that's it. On a national level, it's dead. UNLESS they can work out a deal to bring New Japan to US/Canada Primetime television.
Not sure what you mean? Dave Marquez dropped the ball? How so? I hear from Dave all the time. He isn't difficult to reach if you want to talk to him.
Internet Wrestling Fans have little to no patience and tend to think that their is a money mark around every corner that can be shaken down so that another wrestling promotion can be the NEXT BIG THING.
There is a reason that most of us never venture to the other side of the wrestling curtain. We don't have the know-how, the money, or the drive to promote a wrestling event. NWA Pro Wrestling has used thousands of wrestlers in the past 4 years. And that's just one promotion in the NWA. You still have NWA Anarchy in Georgia, NWA ECCW in the Pacific Northwest that runs frequently, NWA On Fire in the North East, NWA Southwest, NWA Midwest, etc.
Here are some things that I know in the NWA Right now. NWA Pro Wrestling is working to get on local television in Los Angeles, the 2nd Largest media market in the United States and probably the World. And on a well known network in Los Angeles. The same group is planning on running live events in South Dakota, Minnesota, Arizona, Nevada, and California real soon. They are syndicated in most of Australia.
I don't see this as dropping the ball. I don't see this as being dead and I don't see this as being useless.
If you guys don't care about the NWA that is fine. Or if you do care, get yourself educated on the product. Check out my fine NWA Fan Site, www.alliance-wrestling.com. But don't just ramble about things you clearly have no clue about.
If you hadn't ever heard of Blue Demon Jr., you are probably not very familiar with the world of Lucha Libre or the recent NWA.
He's a career midcarder who lucked his way into a Coke ad, so they gave him the World Title. Let's not make out like he's the 21st century Santo here. I wrote a big old commentary on the state of the NWA about 9 months ago. Not a lot has changed since then. The current board needs replacing in its entirety, the dead wood promoters need kicking out of the alliance and the entire group needs an overhaul. Starting with putting the belt on someone worth a shit, rather than a 42 year old lifetime midcard journeyman. Scotty Steiner just left TNA. Sure, he's no younger than Demon, but he is at least a proper star. So is Booker T. He's not doing anything, either. Make me a logical case for not making PWA the flagship of the NWA and putting the belt on Booker and paying Scotty to heel for him while they chase TV and build a young star I should care about.
Hang on a minute guy everyone already has a asshole you dont need to rip us all new ones.
The reason a started the thread was because I DO CARE about the NWA and I DO want them to do well. I am a NWA fan of the 70's 80's. Clear up to early 90's. I live in Ohio so i dont have any syndicated NWA shows in my area if I did i'd watch them. I look for vids on youtube and NWA.com whne they put vids up.
My point is im just saying on the national scene I wish theyd make a come back and show the WWE and TNA what Pro wrestling used to be about and what it still can be.
An yes, I'll be honest I dont keep up with lucha libre, it is one form of wrestling that does not interest me. So that would be the reason i never heard of Blue Demon. An like another poster said put the title on a establshed start like stiener it would atleast bring more attention in the states back to the NWA.
I don't believe you have any idea of what you are talking about? They aren't doing good? What is your definition of "doing good?"
The name isn't worthless, or else JAKKS Pacific wouldn't have entered into a licensing agreement with the NWA for 5 years. Or the NWA wouldn't be growing if the name was useless.
My definition of good is whether or not people give a shit about that, and right now they aren't relevant at all in today's wrestling world.
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THEN THE ENTRANCE OF THE THIRTYITH PERSON AND THEY'LL COME OUT OF THE BOTTOM OF THE RING CANVAS AND BE LIEK "AAARRRGGGGHHHHH U ALL GANNA GET THORWD OVAR TEH TOP ROPE LOL"
The NWA Showcase DROPPED THE BALL. First it started out as NWA Pro on MavTv, that didn't work out. So they move to Colours and introduce NWA Showcase. It was fun and cool but after like 13 episodes it disappear without Dave Marquez(who was in charge) and the NWA saying anything about it. Then it came back as NWA Showcase from Hollywood, disappear after 12 episodes without an explanation from the people in charge. The shows were pretty damn good. The fans deserve to know what happen. When TNA went off tv for three months, they told the fans everything,produce an internet show and made sure they made it up to the fans, that's what a real organization does. Did they lose their Coca Cola sponsor who was there because of Blue Demon/Full Throttle? What happen? We still don't know. In matter of fact, you can still watch the old episodes of NWA Showcase on nwawrestling.com. I mean WTF, a new fan would be confuse as hell.
He's a career midcarder who lucked his way into a Coke ad, so they gave him the World Title. Let's not make out like he's the 21st century Santo here. I wrote a big old commentary on the state of the NWA about 9 months ago. Not a lot has changed since then. The current board needs replacing in its entirety, the dead wood promoters need kicking out of the alliance and the entire group needs an overhaul. Starting with putting the belt on someone worth a shit, rather than a 42 year old lifetime midcard journeyman. Scotty Steiner just left TNA. Sure, he's no younger than Demon, but he is at least a proper star. So is Booker T. He's not doing anything, either. Make me a logical case for not making PWA the flagship of the NWA and putting the belt on Booker and paying Scotty to heel for him while they chase TV and build a young star I should care about.
No Blue Demon Jr. isn't anywhere near the level of Santo. Nor is he on par with Mistico or any of the top tier luchadors in Mexico today. But he does have name value. And his mask is an iconic image in Mexico, regardless of his family tree.
I would be interested in reading your commentary on the NWA from 9 months ago. I agree that a lot of the members of the NWA Board are dead weight. But the entire Board keeps it very easy to hang on and until some major shake ups happen you'll have the same guys running the same shows.
I like the idea of bringing in Scott Steiner or even a Booker T., but typically guys like that are very expensive. I imagine the PWA hasn't joined the NWA, because they don't really need the NWA. PWA can probably do really well for themselves just booking the talent from their school and occasionally featuring Booker T., or one of his infamous friends.
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Hang on a minute guy everyone already has a asshole you dont need to rip us all new ones.
The reason a started the thread was because I DO CARE about the NWA and I DO want them to do well. I am a NWA fan of the 70's 80's. Clear up to early 90's. I live in Ohio so i dont have any syndicated NWA shows in my area if I did i'd watch them. I look for vids on youtube and NWA.com whne they put vids up.
My point is im just saying on the national scene I wish theyd make a come back and show the WWE and TNA what Pro wrestling used to be about and what it still can be.
An yes, I'll be honest I dont keep up with lucha libre, it is one form of wrestling that does not interest me. So that would be the reason i never heard of Blue Demon. An like another poster said put the title on a establshed start like stiener it would atleast bring more attention in the states back to the NWA.
Hey man, I'm sorry if I was a little pissy. I'm very passionate about the NWA and try to get others passionate about it. I work on a website dedicated to the NWA, www.alliance-wrestling.com. I really didn't mean to come off like an ass, so again I apologize.
I'm a die hard fan of the NWA, but realistically they won't even be in TNA's league for at least 5 years. The problem with putting the belt on a guy like Steiner, is that he will only stick around until New Japan, WWE, or TNA call him back. Whom ever the next champion is, it has to be a guy that the NWA can afford to keep, so it won't be a big named wrestler or a former WWE/TNA wrestler.
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My definition of good is whether or not people give a shit about that, and right now they aren't relevant at all in today's wrestling world.
That isn't exactly true. We can go back and forth and debate the relevance of the NWA, but people are talking about them again. PWI lists the NWA Rankings, their old shows are running in syndication in Australia, their are trying to get a show on a well known television station in Los Angeles. So that is debatable.
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The NWA Showcase DROPPED THE BALL. First it started out as NWA Pro on MavTv, that didn't work out. So they move to Colours and introduce NWA Showcase. It was fun and cool but after like 13 episodes it disappear without Dave Marquez(who was in charge) and the NWA saying anything about it. Then it came back as NWA Showcase from Hollywood, disappear after 12 episodes without an explanation from the people in charge. The shows were pretty damn good. The fans deserve to know what happen. When TNA went off tv for three months, they told the fans everything,produce an internet show and made sure they made it up to the fans, that's what a real organization does. Did they lose their Coca Cola sponsor who was there because of Blue Demon/Full Throttle? What happen? We still don't know. In matter of fact, you can still watch the old episodes of NWA Showcase on nwawrestling.com. I mean WTF, a new fan would be confuse as hell.
MAV-TV and Colours aren't really great outlets for the NWA. It sucks that the shows were short-lived, because the NWA Showcase, to me, was a lot of fun wrestling. But all of it was a means to an end. The shows weren't meant for long runs, but I believe they ended sooner than they were supposed too.
The NWA is a privately held business, so they won't be discussing money or numbers to anyone. So if sponsorship deals fell through, we'll never know about it. I think the NWA hopes that a new fan to the NWA would see the NWA Showcase and go out and support live NWA wrestling in their local area. Nearly every state in the US is represented by the NWA, with two promotions in Australia, one in France, one in Scotland, and New Japan.
We actually had a pretty solid debate on it during that thread. I may follow it up in a couple of months, see if the NWA has done anything to improve their standing since then.
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