About time we made a Puro thread seeing as there's an Indy one and it deserves a seperate thread. You can use this to discuss any Puro matches or shows, past or present.
I've just finished this awesome set so I may as well get the thread up and running with some ratings for it.
ivp's Top 25 Matches in NOAH History
Disc 1
25. Jushin 'Thunder' Liger & Koji Kanemoto vs. Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi - January 26th 2003 - Kobe World Hall ***1/2
24. Mitsuharu Misawa & Yoshinari Ogawa vs. Naomichi Marufuji & KENTA - April 25th 2004 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ****1/2+
23. Jushin 'Thunder' Liger vs. Makoto Hashi - March 6th 2004 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ***3/4
Disc 2
22. Kenta Kobashi vs. Minoru Suzuki - January 8th 2005 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ***3/4
21. Jun Akiyama & Takeshi Rikio vs. Takeshi Morishima & Muhammad Yone - April 1st 2007 - Tokyo Korakuen Hall ****1/4
20. Naomichi Marufuji & Minoru Suzuki vs. Makoto Hashi & Jun Akiyama - July 18th 2005 - Tokyo Dome ****
19. Jun Akiyama & Takeshi Rikio vs. Yoshihiro Takayama & Takashi Sugiura - April 28th 2007 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ***3/4
Disc 3
18. Kenta Kobashi & Yoshihiro Takayama vs. Jun Akiyama & Mitsuharu Misawa - December 2nd 2007 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ****1/4
17. Akira Taue vs. Yuji Nagata - June 6th 2003 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ***1/2
16. Naomichi Marufuji & KENTA vs. Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Makoto Hashi - September 12th 2003 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ****1/4
Disc 4
15. Jun Akiyama & Akitoshi Saito vs. Kenta Kobashi & Tamon Honda - June 6th 2003 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ****1/4
14. Naomichi Marufuji & KENTA vs. Juventud Guerrera & Ricky Marvin - November 1st 2003 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ****1/4
Disc 5
13. Naomichi Marufuji & KENTA vs. Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Takashi Sugiura - June 5th 2005 - Sapporo Media Park Spica ****1/2
12. Takeshi Rikio & Takeshi Morishima vs. Naomichi Marufuji & KENTA - July 16th 2006 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ****1/2
11. KENTA vs. SUWA - September 18th 2005 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ****1/4
Disc 6
10. Kenta Kobashi vs. Akira Taue - September 10th 2004 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ****1/2
9. Kenta Kobashi & Kentaro Shiga vs. Jun Akiyama & Akitoshi Saito - 19th October 2002 - Tokyo Korakuen Hall ****
8. Naomichi Marufuji vs. KENTA - October 29th 2006 - Tokyo Nippon Budokan ****3/4+
It'll appear sooner of later, but almost no one is able to watch anything, that is unless you actually live in Japan. There really is not that many cappers in Japan, especially ones that actually share what they cap online to others.
AJP “ANNIVERSARY TOUR 2010″, 10/16/2010 (Sat) 18:30
Nagasaki Peace Hall
1,250 Spectators
1. KAI vs. Yasufumi Nakanoue winner: KAI (9:00) following the LAT.
2. Seiya Sanada & Hiroshi Yamato vs. KENSO & KONO winner: KONO (8:51) following a Choke Slam on Yamato.
3. Akebono vs. Rene Dupree winner: Akebono (6:22) with a Body Press.
4. Kaz Hayashi, Ryota Hama & BUSHI vs. Big Daddy Voodoo, Charlie Hass & MAZADA winner: Hayashi (13:23) with a Jumping Hurricanrana on MAZADA.
5. Suwama, Shuji Kondo & Manabu Soya vs. Masakatsu Funaki, Taiyo Kea & Osamu Nishimura winner: Funaki (21:28) with a Backdrop Hold on Kondo.
Kensuke Office “TAKE THE DREAM 2010 IN OSAKA”, 10/16/2010 (Sat) 17:00
Location: Osaka Prefectural Gymnasium #2
1,682 Spectators (packed)
1. Yutaka Yoshie vs. Jun Nishikawa Winner: Yoshie (6:17) with a Boston Crab.
2. Kikutaro & Catfish Man vs. Kuishinbo Kamen & Takoyakida Winner: Kikutaro (11:09) with a Backdrop Hold on Takoyakida.
3. Takashi Okita & Satoshi Kajiwara vs. Bear Fukuda & Go Winner: Okita (12:28) with a Diving Body Press.
4. Big Murakami vs. Kento Miyahara Winner: Murakami (11:08) following an STO.
5. Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima vs. Takashi Sugiura & Atsushi Aoki Winner: Sasaki (24:29) following the Northern Lights Bomb on Aoki.
1. Randy Takuya vs. Makoto Ooishi Winner: Ooishi (8:09) with a Cross Knee Lock.
2. 3Way Match: Shiori Asahi vs. Daigorou Kashiwa vs. Hiro Tonai Winner: Asahi (7:29) following the Eclipse on Tonai.
3. Kaji Tomato & Taishi Takizawa vs. TAKA Michinoku & Ryuichi Sekine Winner: Tomato (12:51) with the Redeye on Sekine.
4. Marines Mask vs. Daigorou Kashiwa Winner: Marines (14:03) with the Submarine Clutch.
5. 6 Man Tag Match: Yuji Hino, Saburou Inamatsu & Bambi vs. HIROKI, Kengo Mashimo & Yuu Yamagata Winner: Bambi (17:36) following a Shining Wizard on Yamagata.
1. Daisuke Harada vs. Ultimate Spider Jr Winner: Harada (8:31) following a Diving Elbow Drop.
2. Black Buffalo vs. Ebessan Winner: Buffalo (8:21) with the Ganseki Otoshi.
3. Masamune & Shadow Phoenix vs. Tigers Mask & Tadasuke Winner: Masamune (11:25) with the Honebami on Tadasuke.
4. 3WAY Match: Kanjyuro Matsuyama vs. Kuishinbo Kamen vs. Miracleman Winner: Matsuyama (9:23) with a modified La Magistral on Kamen.
5. Billyken Kid, Hideyoshi, Atsushi Kotoge & Takoyakida vs. Kuuga, Orochi, The Bodyguard & HAYATA Winner: Kuuga (17:32) with the Hornet on Takoyakida. ~ This has been an interesting feud in Osaka as of late, the heel team “JOKER” has been very dominate as of late against Billyken’s group. But it seems there is going to be a 4 on 4 match here soon to finally settle this war once and for all. More info as I can translate it.
NOAH "AUTUMN NAVIGATION 2010 ~ 4TH NTV CUP JR. HEAVYWEIGHT TAG LEAGUE", 17.10.2010 (G+)
Tokyo Differ Ariake
1,100 Fans
1. Shuhei Taniguchi besiegt Satoshi Kajiwara (10:01) mit einem German Suplex Hold.
2. Katsuhiko Nakajima besiegt Masao Inoue (11:06) mit einem Cradle Cutback.
3. Akira Taue & Mohammed Yone besiegen Yoshinari Ogawa & Kotaro Suzuki (4:01) als Suzuki nach einer Chait Attack von Ogawa disqualifiziert wurde.
4. Kensuke Sasaki & Takashi Okita besiegen Yoshihiro Takayama & Takuma Sano (14:08) nach einer Northern Light Bomb von Sasaki gegen Sano.
5. Go Shiozaki, Jack Evans & Extreme Tiger besiegen Takashi Sugiura, Taiji Ishimori & Ricky Marvin (15:59) nach dem Go Flasher von Shiozaki gegen Marvin.
6. NTV Cup Jr. Heavyweight Tag League - Block B: Atsushi Kotoge & Daisuke Harada [2] besiegen Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Genba Hirayanagi [0] (17:21) nach einem Frankensteiner von Kotoge gegen Hirayanagi.
7. NTV Cup Jr. Heavyweight Tag League - Block A: Roderick Strong & Eddie Edwards [2] besiegen KENTA & Atsushi Aoki [0] (27:53) nach dem Die Hard von Edwards gegen KENTA.
Someone pointed this out to me earlier that Puro Love misses quoted what happened in that match.
Sano actually beat Okita in that match with the Northern Lights Bomb.
My notes:
~ Sano put on a clinic on Okita in the later half of this match. All that seemed to follow after Low Sobat Kick. It looked as if Okita was about to lose his temper after match, but Sasaki calmed him down. Maybe this is the point where Okita can finally start channeling that frustration in a much needed win down the road?
7. NTV Cup Jr. Heavyweight Tag League - Block A: Roderick Strong & Eddie Edwards [2] besiegen KENTA & Atsushi Aoki [0] (27:53) nach dem Die Hard von Edwards gegen KENTA.
Actually, thats about full for Differ Ariake, IIRC. Its a pretty small venue and I believe that NOAH actually owns the building. Its like their home base.
It wouldn't surprise me if Team ROH at least makes it to the finals. I mean both guys are the companies singles champions and I doubt NOAH is going to make them look bad.
They're in the KENTA block. I'm not that familiar with puro, but doesn't a throwaway team usually get a win over a favorite to create drama (i.e. Anderson beating Tanahashi in the G1, Delirious beating KENTA last year)? I'd imagine that's what's happening here, and KENTA/Aoki will do their thing and end up on top of the block. Strong/Edwards might finish second, though, for the reason you mentioned.
depends if this year's tournament has semifinals, if it does then i can see Team ROH getting there and even reacing the finals to give the win back to KENTA/Aoki
Ya, the funny news is that Big Japan is greatly rising in the ranks as of late. They have a solid new Heavyweight generation coming up in the ranks. Their school has been seen as a great place to be trained, even with Daisuke Sekimoto being one of the head trainers. Big Japan has a lot of feel when it comes to old school learning and training so a lot of younger guys are being scouted and accepting to be a part of the promotion.
Big Japan has not been off a complete basis of Hardcore/Deathmatch wrestling, and the new generation wrestler's are aiming to blend both mediums easier and look better in doing so. Big Japan is obviously doing something right in this day and age, because they keep raising in the ranks at being the place to go for wrestling in Japan. Same goes for DDT and DG who all have their own feel and have a strong variety in the wrestling world and are finding success.
Junior matches shouldn't be going over 20 minutes max. They just shouldn't be, especially guys like Marvin and Ishimori. New Japan realises that and look at how successful they are atm.
I'm pretty sure they are successful for a number of other reasons, Seabs......like Tanahashi, Nakamura, Goto, Makabe, and some really good freaking booking.
KENTA and Marufuji are pretty shitty draws, but they are Juniors and in most cases Jrs are not draws in "traditional puroresu"
I think Seabs is refering to the state of the Junior Division in New Japan compared to NOAH. I agree that right now New Japan's looks a lot more interesting but that has more to do with the inclusion of new talent from US and Japanese indys than the length of the matchs. But at the same time I also agree that Jr. matches tend to be better if they don't go past the 20-22 minute mark, specially nowadays with so many useless spots.
One thing that should be said is that we are no longer in the age of "Traditional Puroresu".
That has been the case since the turn of the century. New Japan took the first jump, but that was partly because Inoki was a bit crazy, lol. Dragon Gate is gaining popularity and is far from the traditional sense. Same for DDT in terms of bringing in the new age.
NOAH was founded in the first place to be different than AJPW of the 90's, in a sense trying to form a new feel around primarily Japanese wrestlers. Though that can be easily seen as not happening, it was what NOAH was founded upon nonetheless.
Also Juniors are not over, I got one name for you Prince Devitt.
I find most matches are better when kept under 20 minutes, but maybe thats just my ADD addled brain. There are obvious exceptions but still. I wish Indy promotions would learn this but they're just trying to give the fans their moneys worth, but seriously you don't need to go for an epic on each show.
NOAH "AUTUMN NAVIGATION 2010 ~ 4TH NTV CUP JR. HEAVYWEIGHT TAG LEAGUE", 18.10.2010
Oyama Municipal Bunka Center Small Hall
400 Fans - Super No Vacancy
1. Yodhinari Ogawa besiegt Eddie Edwards (0:52) mit einem Cradle.
2. Roderick Strong besiegt Shuhei Taniguchi (12:15) nach dem Strong Kick.
3. Go Shiozaki & Kotaro Suzuki besiegen Jack Evans & Extreme Tiger (15:36) nach dem Go Flasher von Shiozaki gegen Tiger.
4. Yoshihiro Takayama & Takuma Sano besiegen Mohammed Yone & Masao Inoue (14:02) nach einem Knee Lift von Takayama gegen Inoue.
5. Takashi Sugiura, KENTA & Atsushi Aoki besiegen Kensuke Sasaki, Katsuhiko Nakajima & Satoshi Kajiwara (18:11) nach einem Olympic Slam von Sugiura gegen Kajiwara.
6. NTV Cup Jr. Heavyweight Tag League - Block B: Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Genba Hirayanagi [2] besiegen Dick Togo & Yasu Urano [2] (14:25) nach dem Touch Out von Kanemaru gegen Urano.
7. NTV Cup Jr. Heavyweight Tag League - Block A: Taiji Ishimori & Ricky Marvin [3] besiegen Great Sasuke & Kenbai [0] (13:41) mit einem 450 Splash von Ishimori gegen Kenbai.
NOAH "AUTUMN NAVIGATION 2010 ~ 4TH NTV CUP JR. HEAVYWEIGHT TAG LEAGUE", 19.10.2010
Fukushima National Athletic Meet Commemoration Hall
1,100 Fans - Super No Vacancy
1. Shuhei Taniguchi besiegt Masao Inoue (10:41) mit einem German Suplex Hold.
2. Ricky Marvin vs. Extreme Tiger - Time Limit Draw (15:00).
3. 3 WAY Match: Jack Evans besiegt Taiji Ishimori & Satoshi Kajiwara (7:06) mit einem 630 Splash von Evans gegen Kajiwara.
4. Takashi Sugiura besiegt Atsushi Aoki (10:57) mit einem Ankle Lock.
5. Go Shiozaki, Yoshinari Ogawa & Kotaro Suzuki besiegen Mohammed Yone, Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Genba Hirayanagi (12:12) nach dem Go Flasher von Shiozaki gegen Hirayanagi.
6. NTV Cup Jr. Heavyweight Tag League - Block A: Great Sasuke & Kenbai [2] besiegen Roderick Strong & Eddie Edwards [2] (13:42) mit einem Sasuke Segway von Sasuke gegen Edwards.
7. Yoshihiro Takayama, Takuma Sano & KENTA besiegen Kensuke Sasaki, Katsuhiko Nakajima & Takashi Okita (15:38) nach einem Face Kick von KENTA gegen Okita.
AJPW - B-Banquet 270
Jimmy Yang vs Shuji Kondo
***1/4
AJPW - B-Banquet 271
Minoru vs Kaz Hayashi ***1/4
Suwama, Ryota Hama, Masayuki Kono & Seiya Sanada vs Minoru Suzuki, Masakatsu Funaki, Akebono & Taiyo Kea ***
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