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Re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)

Tenzan is useless in singles matches now. Same for Nakanishi after his latest injury. He looks really broken down. Him and Strong Man are still a super fun team though. Tanaka I don't really like and isn't technically on the New Japan roster although I guess in reality he's as good as. His matches are really formulaic and predictable. I lose interest everytime he does a table spot (every singles match) like it's a suplex.

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Has Tenzan ever been that good?

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I'm not trying to argue he's like some super elite worker or anything like that. He's a charismatic worker whose matches I always end up enjoying. I'd take him over a guy like Makabe in a hearbeat.

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For me, Ishii deserves a lot more credit than Goto does. Goto was great even two years ago, but he has lost the plot. I actually really dig Yujiro's shtick.

Yujiro > Goto

Goto may not even be in the top 10 heavywieghts in New Japan, for me.
Only brought up Goto b/c he's not well received. He wouldn't make my list either. But, I don't mind him. Yujiro is trash.

I like Tenzan. Had a BOSS match up with Nakamura last year. He's fun in tags with Kojima. That seems to be the best area suited for him.

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Yo Seabs, got a link for that Final Gate 2010 match? Also, anyone know where I can upload this match? Without megaupload I'm lost & sendspace didn't work.

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Only brought up Goto b/c he's not well received. He wouldn't make my list either. But, I don't mind him. Yujiro is trash.

I like Tenzan. Had a BOSS match up with Nakamura last year. He's fun in tags with Kojima. That seems to be the best area suited for him.
That was really all Nakamura and Korakuen tbf. Tenzan did his part well but red hot Nakamura + Red hot Korakuen is a pretty faultless formula regardless of the third party. He had a great match with Kojima at the G1 Final last year too. These days he's awful most of the time but he can deliver with the right guy in a big atmosphere. The Yano/Iizuka tag from Dominion this year for example.

Not convinced he was ever that great but I really haven't seen enough to say one way or the other.

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Filefactory seems best. I always get good speeds off there on a free account.

I'll upload it today

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I'd probably have Goto in the top 10 heavyweights from New Japan, albeit near the bottom. Seems I'm in the minority on that one. I think he's good and has the ability to pull out exciting matches and I enjoy some of his sequences. But I definitely see him as a guy who does need that higher level guy to work with to pull out something really great. Saying that though it's kind of hard to say because I've only ever really seen him against one of those guys, especially this year.

I have no knowledge on Yujiro's quality whatsoever, haven't watched the Tanahashi match yet. I think it was Nervosa who liked it so I might give it a whirl.

Also, not sure on Tanaka. I think he has the tendency to go way too far with overkill in his matches. Love him in tags though. The tag from Dominion is my tag match of the year.
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I'm a Goto fan. He's certainly not my favorite New Japan heavyweight, but the ability to have consistently ****+ matches with top-tier guys like Tanahashi and Nakamura isn't a quality to be undervalued. Last year, he had an amazing match against Naito on 2-20, and his match with Anderson was one of the best of last year's G1.

EDIT: I thought Tanahashi/Yujiro was very good, FWIW. Sort of a lesser version of Okada/Tana from Dominion -- good in the same way, albeit a bit less so. ★★★★¼, by my count.

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That was really all Nakamura and Korakuen tbf. Tenzan did his part well but red hot Nakamura + Red hot Korakuen is a pretty faultless formula regardless of the third party. He had a great match with Kojima at the G1 Final last year too. These days he's awful most of the time but he can deliver with the right guy in a big atmosphere. The Yano/Iizuka tag from Dominion this year for example.

Not convinced he was ever that great but I really haven't seen enough to say one way or the other.
Won't deny the points you laid out. I managed to get into Tenzan's work during the bout. Besides, I'm so sold on Nakamura that I can see him (and know he can) bring out strong elements vs anyone he works with. For whatever reasons they were, it was a great match.

I have no major faults with him. He does what he does and I can watch him no problem. I'll stick with tags at the end of the day. I think those do suit him better.

I'm sure Tanahashi vs Yujiro is actually good. I haven't seen one negative review on it yet. While I don't think Yujiro has any special qualities whatsoever, Tanahashi is unreal. Especially in the big match situations. I'll buy it on that aspect alone.

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I did like it. I didn't love it but it was definitely fun. I don't even think yujiro was carried: I thought he brought it. Tanahashi, is one size fits all in most matches. Granted, that one size is AWESOME, but I've always had a problem with how formula he is. Yujiro made him wrestle different here, so I liked it from that angle.

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