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post #4991 of 8121 (permalink) Old 11-23-2012, 06:00 PM
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He's got that innate charm where you're always watching him in any setting expecting him to do something amazing at any moment. His execution can be rugged and a little sloppy at times but more often than not it works in a 'oh god that HAD to hurt' way rather than 'sheeesh that looked weak'.
I honestly get that more with Hashimoto. Tenryu is Tenryu and I can't disagree with anything said, but Shinya seems to do something in almost every match I see him in that stands out as being incredible. In the Takada 96 match he sweeps the leg, in a Hirata tag he karate chops a belt into someone's head, in one of the Tenryu matches he does a spin kick while Tenryu's on the turnbuckle (or something), in a Vader match he delivers like the greatest ring-post shot ever, in the 2002 Tanaka match he just BRUTALLY jumps onto Tanaka off of the apron. I'm not going 'Tenryu DOESN'T do this and that', but Hashimoto's got that same feel and he's got my eyes popping out of my head more. I prefer Hash on offense to Tenryu as well. I definitely think he looks more violent.

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Hashimoto is definitely a better striker, but Hashimoto is maybe the best striker in wrestling history. Also a master of violence and capturing a sense of utter contempt for opponents. Tenryu and Hash are both masters at that, but in different ways. Tenryu will walk up to a guy with a broken nose, while the guy with the broken nose is writing around on the mat, and he'll nonchalantly kick him in that broken nose (this has happened). Hash is the guy that breaks the nose in the first place (this has also happened). I don't know if there's anybody that can make absolutely everything seem incredibly violent like Hashimoto can. Hansen, maybe, but again, that's a different kind of violence. Hansen is a fucking whirlwind of piss and vinegar and wildness and carnage. Anybody that's within reach gets caught in the fallout. Hash comes across as being more deliberate, like his violence is funnelled and directed towards someone in particular. Hash and Tenryu are both kings of milking and creating the huge moments in matches. That bit from the '96 Hash/Takada match that Australian mentions where Takada tries to take Hashimoto's head off with a roundhouse kick and Hash ducks it so he can sweep the leg...that is such an incredible moment. The pop that shit gets is insane. And, fuck, that match might be the best sub-15 minute match ever.

I don't think there's much of anything between the two. Both are great and I wouldn't spend a ton of time trying to argue the 'Tenryu > Hashimoto' point.
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I've been writing for years that Hashimoto vs Takada was the best sub-15 minute match ever and I still have it as my MOTY for 1996 along with one of my top 10 matches of all time. Everything about it is just pure awesomeness and wrestling at its finest. Nobuhiko Takada should have been the wrestler of the year for 1996 due to all the awesome big money matches he did. It's a shame that NJPW and Riki Choshu wanted to play games with him as I would have signed him for as much money as he wanted.

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I'm just mad Giant Baba refused to please Takada's big money appetite in order to sign him back in 96/97. Imagine All Japan with Takada, that would also mean Takayama' earlier signing too.
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Toshiaki Kawada vs. Shinya Hashimoto (02/22/2004):****1/2

This will be the point in my life where I say I have not watched a ton of Hashimoto. That’s actually not true. I have watched MAYBE one match of his against Tenryu in a best of the 90s comp. I wasn’t too high on it considering all the great things I have heard about Hashimoto. This match made me want to hunt down this man’s best. He was a god damn treat in this match. I’m pretty sure if he wanted to he could have forced Kawada to drop dead right from the start with his death stare. That being said with the talent in this match it shouldn’t be all too surprising this is awesome. This match doesn’t rely on big bumps and near falls to be awesome. Hashimoto attacks Kawada’s leg and its real nice. Kawada sells it for a bit afterwards. Kawada attacks Hashimoto’s injured arm which is logical and well done here. My favorite of the match is essentially my favorite part of every Kawada match I’ve seen, JUMPING HEAD KICKS!!! I don’t know why I get such a pleasure from watching Kawada doing them. Hashimoto has big part of it this time though. The way he dangles there on the brink of falling had me on the edge of my sweet wondering if this kick would be the one. The towel finish was well done as well.
Honestly think this is my match of the last decade.

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Man, four hours is a really, really long time. Even for NJPW, I struggle to watch it in one, or even two, sittings. That's just way too long of a show. I can't imagine being there in person.
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Reading Yeah2012 pimp Hashimoto warms my heart.
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What are your favourite Hash & Chsoshu matches btw? Haven't seen as much from either guy as I'd like to.
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I'm just mad Giant Baba refused to please Takada's big money appetite in order to sign him back in 96/97. Imagine All Japan with Takada, that would also mean Takayama' earlier signing too.
Ehhhh. Takada's not THAT good. There are some who think he's a great wrestler and some who think he stinks. I'm neither, but he's very, very hit or miss. His best stuff is really great but at his worst he can suck enjoyment out of a match for me. Again, I'm not on the 'he sucks' side, but I'm not really sure I'd even call him a top 25 for shoot style alone.

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Ehhhh. Takada's not THAT good. There are some who think he's a great wrestler and some who think he stinks. I'm neither, but he's very, very hit or miss. His best stuff is really great but at his worst he can suck enjoyment out of a match for me. Again, I'm not on the 'he sucks' side, but I'm not really sure I'd even call him a top 25 for shoot style alone.
Agreed. He's hit or miss indeed, but my wish for Takada in AJPW is based on the endless pool of possibly awesome opponents and variety of matches there, not on Takadda himself.
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Remember this? This was two years ago.
I do. It took a while, but it's nice seeing more people on this board appreciate the greatness of that fat bastard.

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