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10-01-2009, 12:38 PM
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Working Dark Matches
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re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)
I have to agree with Andy3000 though. Brody doesn't hold a candle to Funk imho.
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A wrestling match is like a balanced diet. The basics are carbs, keeping you going. Armdrags may not be the highlight, but they're key to the development. Dairy is emotion and crowd interaction, like bones, they strengthen the match, and in there absense, the it will fall apart. Meat is moves like suplexes and finishers. They’re cool, but if you rely on them you’d be unhealthy, and the matches unwatchable. Mat work is fruits and vegetables. We may not like them, but some is sweet chain wrestling. Last is spots and indy MoVEz~!, your sugars and fats. You can't just eat chocolate, and thus you need to do more than flips and head drops to get above ****.
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10-01-2009, 01:02 PM
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#142 (permalink)
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Pico pal q lee
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re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)
very few people are at the same level of Funk though
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10-01-2009, 01:35 PM
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#143 (permalink)
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SNOWBLIND
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re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)
I can't think of a single time in his entire career that Funk was shit. Not even in 2006 when he could barely stand up. I honestly think his run in Japan annihiliates Brody's, who had far more shit than great (not necessarily bad matches, but bad performances. Hansen or a Funk brother should get most of the credit for the good matches).
There's times where I still like Brody a lot, but he's either wrestling with Hansen or wrestling against Terry when that happens. Sometimes both. Can't think of any great Brody match where he's actually been the best guy in there. The '81 RWTL final is a match I adore, but both Funks and Jimmy freakin' Snuka were outworking him. Brody can work a crazy brawl really well (I hear his '86 run in World Class is very good), but he can't -- or rather won't -- sell worth a shit unless he's in there with the top natives or fellow top gaijin. Hell, there's a match from January '85 in St.Louis and he's sandbagging Ric Flair for 20 minutes. The NWA champ.
Watch the match with Brody and Hansen against Steamboat and Youngblood from the '82 tag league. Steamboat and Youngblood were the top tag team in the top territory in the states, and Brody's treating everything they do as if Scott McGhee and Barry Horowitz are the ones throwing knife edge chops and cross bodies. The fact the match doesn't only turn out good but actually fucking *great* says a Hell of a lot about Stan motherfucking Hansen and his ability to carry that team.
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10-01-2009, 03:41 PM
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re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)
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Originally Posted by antoniomare007
very few people are at the same level of Funk though
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My point, so why then does everyone build Brody up like he is?
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A wrestling match is like a balanced diet. The basics are carbs, keeping you going. Armdrags may not be the highlight, but they're key to the development. Dairy is emotion and crowd interaction, like bones, they strengthen the match, and in there absense, the it will fall apart. Meat is moves like suplexes and finishers. They’re cool, but if you rely on them you’d be unhealthy, and the matches unwatchable. Mat work is fruits and vegetables. We may not like them, but some is sweet chain wrestling. Last is spots and indy MoVEz~!, your sugars and fats. You can't just eat chocolate, and thus you need to do more than flips and head drops to get above ****.
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10-01-2009, 04:11 PM
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re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)
I don't even understand the comparison to be honest. I haven't fleshed out this idea at all, but here goes anyway. They're like Batman and Superman: Brody is Bats, using fear and the illusion of invincibility to get over, where Terry's like Superman in that I always genuinely believed that nothing could mow him down, plus I respected him a helluva lot more than Bruiser. I enjoy both for a lot of different reasons, but they are NOT on the same level and shouldn't be compared.
I've been staring at this paragraph I wrote for ten minutes and I can't tell if it makes any sense or not, I really can't.
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10-01-2009, 05:22 PM
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re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)
Perfect sense. Currently waiting for McQueen to raise hell with his opinion.
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A wrestling match is like a balanced diet. The basics are carbs, keeping you going. Armdrags may not be the highlight, but they're key to the development. Dairy is emotion and crowd interaction, like bones, they strengthen the match, and in there absense, the it will fall apart. Meat is moves like suplexes and finishers. They’re cool, but if you rely on them you’d be unhealthy, and the matches unwatchable. Mat work is fruits and vegetables. We may not like them, but some is sweet chain wrestling. Last is spots and indy MoVEz~!, your sugars and fats. You can't just eat chocolate, and thus you need to do more than flips and head drops to get above ****.
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10-01-2009, 05:28 PM
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re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)
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Originally Posted by WillTheBloody
I don't even understand the comparison to be honest. I haven't fleshed out this idea at all, but here goes anyway. They're like Batman and Superman: Brody is Bats, using fear and the illusion of invincibility to get over, where Terry's like Superman in that I always genuinely believed that nothing could mow him down, plus I respected him a helluva lot more than Bruiser. I enjoy both for a lot of different reasons, but they are NOT on the same level and shouldn't be compared.
I've been staring at this paragraph I wrote for ten minutes and I can't tell if it makes any sense or not, I really can't.
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I'll give that comparison 8/10. Not as good as your Dragon Gate/Cops comparison way back when, but pretty apt nonetheless.
Watched Misawa/Kobashi from 3/1/03 a couple days ago. I've never loved this like so many people do, but this time I enjoyed it a lot more. So much so that I'd probably say it's a top 25 match for the decade. That tiger suplex off the ramp was 100% batshit fucking insane. Still prefer about 10 match from NOAH alone, but I can see why someone would call it the match of the decade. |
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10-01-2009, 05:41 PM
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re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)
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Perfect sense. Currently waiting for McQueen to raise hell with his opinion.
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I almost certain Eric thinks Funk is the greatest of all time.
Terry is very easily arguably top 10, and Brody's (lack of) selling is the only thing that puts me off from him. He's still awesome. Mostly tagged with Hansen or Snuka though. Mostly Hansen.
I just don't understand why guys like Bruiser want to 'protect their image' by not selling, yet they get so much flack for not selling anyway. Feels kinds reverse psychological. |
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10-01-2009, 05:59 PM
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SNOWBLIND
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re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)
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I just don't understand why guys like Bruiser want to 'protect their image' by not selling, yet they get so much flack for not selling anyway. Feels kinds reverse psychological.
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He was protecting his spot on the card, and there weren't millions and millions of people on the internet talking about "selling da leg" back in 1985. He was the biggest money maker in Japan at the time. The people that were complaing about selling were probably the people that weren't paying money to see him, therefore, he couldn't really give a fuck.
Can't say I fault him for being "business smart". Still, it doesn't mean I have to enjoy it 25 years after the fact  . |
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10-01-2009, 07:56 PM
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Pico pal q lee
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re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)
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but I can see why someone would call it the match of the decade.
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what i really can't see is why some people call the 03' match their best when 1/20/97 is way better
yo Andy, have you seen Great Sasuke/Black Tiger vs. Wild Pegasus/Shinjiro Ohtani tag league finals? if so, you know where could i find it? |
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