Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS) - Page 128 - Wrestling Forum : WWE, TNA, Debate League, Wrestling Videos, Women of Wrestling Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1271 of 8109 (permalink) Old 11-03-2010, 09:08 PM
Asking SCOTT STEINER for Wrestling Advice
 
leglock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 319
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
             
re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)

Quote:
Originally Posted by seancarleton77 View Post
That bland first 15 minutes is often my favourite part. But seriously there is a difference between people resting in loose headlocks and a slow build that progresses as the match goes on until it reaches the boiling point and checks into a room at the 5 star hotel. As long as the match is never boring and makes me stand whether I'm there live or at home watching it, I say.
I think you missed my point. I have no issues with mat wrestling or chain wrestling.
leglock is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #1272 of 8109 (permalink) Old 11-03-2010, 09:14 PM
Vince gives me a comedy gimmick
 
seancarleton77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 6,105
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
                     
re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)

Quote:
Originally Posted by leglock View Post
I think you missed my point. I have no issues with mat wrestling or chain wrestling.
Nah. I got it. I just wanted to get that point across at some point and I said "Shit. There's my opportunity".

Your username reminds me... Why aren't more matches won due to leg and arm work? I just want to see a guy like Barrett work Cena's leg and Cena Hulks up makes his big comback and WHAM leg goes out, Barrett hits his shitty finish an 8 year old could kick out of and I'm a happy camper.
seancarleton77 is offline  
post #1273 of 8109 (permalink) Old 11-04-2010, 01:04 AM
Functioning Psycho
 
WillTheBloody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Buttfuck, GA
Posts: 2,183
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
                     
re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)

Quote:
Originally Posted by seancarleton77 View Post
Why aren't more matches won due to leg and arm work? I just want to see a guy like Barrett work Cena's leg and Cena Hulks up makes his big comback and WHAM leg goes out, Barrett hits his shitty finish an 8 year old could kick out of and I'm a happy camper.
Did you seriously just ask why people don't work over John Cena's leg? Or arm? I like Cena just fine, but that guy couldn't sell water to a dying fish, let alone one of his own flailing appendages.

However, I agree with the overall premise. I like seeing body part targeting that leads to the finish, whether it's (I'm sticking with your name here) working Cena's leg to make the AA difficult to maintain or the arm to make the STF easier to outright break. In the 'E, they usually just work everything and don't ask guys to sell anything specific for fear of outing them as shiny giants who are shit workers. Hell, most indy workers aren't very good at selling limbs. Eddie Kingston is about the best leg-seller that jumps out at me. I'm sure there are more, but not many.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Jacobs, about Wrestling Society X:
"MTV had all these strange rules. We were told we weren't allowed to hit each other with household objects, but they were really excited about using an exploding coffin. So chairs were bad, but exploding coffins were okay. One of the guys at MTV said he wanted one of the wrestlers to be dumped in a vat of acid, and somebody had to explain to him that if you put a guy in acid one week, he can't really come back the next week. Or ever."
WillTheBloody is offline  
post #1274 of 8109 (permalink) Old 11-04-2010, 01:37 AM
Wheel Man for SCOTT STEINER
 
jawbreaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Halifax, NS
Posts: 3,266
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
                     
re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)

At the same time, though, it's really hard to have a great match without a good finishing stretch. Danielson/Kingston from We Must Eat Michigan's Brain had probably the best first ~8 minutes of any match I've seen this year, yet the interference finish and Danielson's forgetting of the leg to get cheap pops for his submissions and create a more "epic" finishing stretch really hurt it and I couldn't give it above ****.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxx Hero View Post
This is the other wrestling section. It's still fake to us.
jawbreaker is offline  
post #1275 of 8109 (permalink) Old 11-04-2010, 02:25 AM
Pineapple Jheri, mon.
 
Yeah1993's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: BOB BACKLUND
Posts: 9,950
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
                     
re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)

Quote:
Originally Posted by leglock View Post
As long as you're consistent and you can back up why you enjoy something, it's all good. It's crazy to see how many **** - ***** matches people give out these days considering the state wrestling is in. There is so much more to a match than the finishing stretch. I never understood the whole "WHAT CRAZY ENDING! HOLY CRAP ALL THE KICKOUTS!!!! THE INTENSITY!!!!!!" that a lot of people use, yet forgetting the bland first 15 minutes of a match.
Yeah I've noticed that too. I'd probably have like 5 ****1/2+ matches in the past three or four years and I see some guys' top ten lists of 2010 where their no 10 is ****1/2.

Quote:
Originally Posted by McQueen View Post
Sounds like a Davey Richards match.


Quote:
At the same time, though, it's really hard to have a great match without a good finishing stretch.
I don;t think it's *really* hard, take a Benoit/Finlay for example.


Last edited by Yeah1993; 11-04-2010 at 02:29 AM.
Yeah1993 is offline  
post #1276 of 8109 (permalink) Old 11-04-2010, 02:41 AM
Pico pal q lee
 
antoniomare007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Not a fucking clue
Posts: 2,509
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
                     
re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeah1993 View Post
I don;t think it's *really* hard, take a Benoit/Finlay for example.
and 70's-80's wrestling.

Back.To Back.TO BACK.

MAS QUE UNA PASION, UN SENTIMIENTO

U
antoniomare007 is offline  
post #1277 of 8109 (permalink) Old 11-04-2010, 02:45 AM
Pineapple Jheri, mon.
 
Yeah1993's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: BOB BACKLUND
Posts: 9,950
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
                     
re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)

I think some 80s wrestling can have a good finishing stretch like a Flair/Steamboat or an Inoki/Hansen match but yeah, mostly. They don't go as "over the top" as the finishing stretches of the past 12 or so years.

Yeah1993 is offline  
post #1278 of 8109 (permalink) Old 11-04-2010, 02:55 AM
Asking SCOTT STEINER for Wrestling Advice
 
leglock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 319
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
             
re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)

To me, a five star match or even a 4 1/2 match is not a great match. It's an epic/legendary match. The highest rating I would give Benoit vs. Finlay would probably be 4 stars. It was an above average, very well wrestled, and intense match up. When it comes to rating matches, I tend to think of the match out of a possible of 100 points. Makes it a lot easier.

Side note, I know Dave Meltzer has given a few matches over five stars. One of which, the 6/95 Misawa/Kobashi vs. Kawada/Taue match. If I'm remembering correctly he gave it 7 1/2 stars.

EDIT: You also can't judge a match from 72 and 89 the same way, much less one from the 00s.

Last edited by leglock; 11-04-2010 at 03:23 AM.
leglock is offline  
post #1279 of 8109 (permalink) Old 11-04-2010, 04:51 AM
Pineapple Jheri, mon.
 
Yeah1993's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: BOB BACKLUND
Posts: 9,950
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
                     
re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)

I think a ****1/2 is an epic one too, and I think Benoit/Finlay IS epic. A great match probably ends at a high **** or low ****1/4.

Not that I use them anymore, anyway.

Yeah1993 is offline  
post #1280 of 8109 (permalink) Old 11-04-2010, 08:58 AM
Vince gives me a comedy gimmick
 
seancarleton77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 6,105
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
                     
re: Official Puro Match/DVD Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS)

Cena and Barrett were kind of a bad examples, but I wanted other people besides us to read this. Necro can sell a leg to the point where you cringe for him.
seancarleton77 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome