[leglock]

Originally Posted by raw-monster

I dont really give a shit about his ratings. I just found it weird how he gave so many of their matches the full 5 and then the match that is considered their best one ever doesnt get it.

O and I am watching the 1/20/97 match right now. I will give my thoughts on it after it finishes.

The 1998, 1999, and 2003 tell better stories than the better wrestled 1997 ones.

[raw-monster]

O and thank you for all your help Leglock.

[Seabs]

Meltzer not giving the 97 match 5 stars really suprised me too when I saw his 5* All Japan list and saw all of the stuff that he did give 5* but not that match. At the end of the day it's just one guys opinion though so it doesn't matter one bit. Anyway fwiw

97 - *****
98 - ****3/4
99 - ****1/2
03 - *****

97 is the best All Japan singles match not to be Jumbo/Misawa.

[Yeah1993]

If you want to get into All Japan altogether I think Misawa/Kobashi vs. Taue/Kawada from December 93 is great for that. It doesn't really have the real depth that a lot of other big-match AJ matches would have, only things you'll notice are how Misawa doesnlt go for Kawada's leg b/c in his mind he's that good he doesn't have to, and Kobashi has to go for it if he wants to have a chance at victory. Taue is a murderer. Plus you get to see MM & KK tag before they feuded.

I really thought the 97 Misawa/Kobashi match was a WON *****.

[raw-monster]

Ok so I just watched the 97 match and it really was a classic, but I really thought that the 03 match was better. I just loved how stiff they were with each other and how they destroyed each other in that match.

The 97 match is still a freaking classic and I loved watching it, but all I could think about was the 03 match.

So far here is how I would rank them.

Kobashi vs Misawa 2003 - *****
Kobashi vs Misawa 1997 - *****

[leglock]

Originally Posted by raw-monster

Ok so I just watched the 97 match and it really was a classic, but I really thought that the 03 match was better. I just loved how stiff they were with each other and how they destroyed each other in that match.

The 97 match is still a freaking classic and I loved watching it, but all I could think about was the 03 match.

So far here is how I would rank them.

Kobashi vs Misawa 2003 - *****
Kobashi vs Misawa 1997 - *****

You'll enjoy the 1999 match then.

[seancarleton77]

Star ratings are really a double edged sword, on one hand people can tend to over analyse matches instead of actually enjoying them, on the other hand if I have a joyful series of mental orgasms then I would like to use the star rating system to grade my enjoyment. Or in the case of watching TNA matches to rip them apart with a minus star rating to make myself feel better for wasting a couple of hours of my life on TNA.

[leglock]

As long as you're consistent and you can back up why you enjoy something, it's all good. It's crazy to see how many **** - ***** matches people give out these days considering the state wrestling is in. There is so much more to a match than the finishing stretch. I never understood the whole "WHAT CRAZY ENDING! HOLY CRAP ALL THE KICKOUTS!!!! THE INTENSITY!!!!!!" that a lot of people use, yet forgetting the bland first 15 minutes of a match.

[seancarleton77]

Originally Posted by leglock

As long as you're consistent and you can back up why you enjoy something, it's all good. It's crazy to see how many **** - ***** matches people give out these days considering the state wrestling is in. There is so much more to a match than the finishing stretch. I never understood the whole "WHAT CRAZY ENDING! HOLY CRAP ALL THE KICKOUTS!!!! THE INTENSITY!!!!!!" that a lot of people use, yet forgetting the bland first 15 minutes of a match.

That bland first 15 minutes is often my favourite part. But seriously there is a difference between people resting in loose headlocks and a slow build that progresses as the match goes on until it reaches the boiling point and checks into a room at the 5 star hotel. As long as the match is never boring and makes me stand whether I'm there live or at home watching it, I say.

[McQueen]

Originally Posted by leglock

As long as you're consistent and you can back up why you enjoy something, it's all good. It's crazy to see how many **** - ***** matches people give out these days considering the state wrestling is in. There is so much more to a match than the finishing stretch. I never understood the whole "WHAT CRAZY ENDING! HOLY CRAP ALL THE KICKOUTS!!!! THE INTENSITY!!!!!!" that a lot of people use, yet forgetting the bland first 15 minutes of a match.

Sounds like a Davey Richards match.