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Old 10-18-2010, 11:47 PM   #1181 (permalink)
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KENTA and Marufuji are pretty shitty draws, but they are Juniors and in most cases Jrs are not draws in "traditional puroresu"

I think Seabs is refering to the state of the Junior Division in New Japan compared to NOAH. I agree that right now New Japan's looks a lot more interesting but that has more to do with the inclusion of new talent from US and Japanese indys than the length of the matchs. But at the same time I also agree that Jr. matches tend to be better if they don't go past the 20-22 minute mark, specially nowadays with so many useless spots.
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:50 PM   #1182 (permalink)
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I find most matches are better when kept under 20 minutes, but maybe thats just my ADD addled brain. There are obvious exceptions but still. I wish Indy promotions would learn this but they're just trying to give the fans their moneys worth, but seriously you don't need to go for an epic on each show.
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Old 10-19-2010, 12:00 AM   #1183 (permalink)
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I blame the awesomeness of 90's All Japan for that, indy wrestlers should try to emulate more Jumbo/Tenryu, Jumbo/Misawa instead of Kobashi/Misawa.


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Old 10-19-2010, 12:03 AM   #1184 (permalink)
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Not yet no, but thats what I heard. Did see last weeks ep though.
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Old 10-19-2010, 08:43 AM   #1185 (permalink)
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2. Roderick Strong besiegt Shuhei Taniguchi (12:15) nach dem Strong Kick.
3. Go Shiozaki & Kotaro Suzuki besiegen Jack Evans & Extreme Tiger (15:36) nach dem Go Flasher von Shiozaki gegen Tiger.
4. Yoshihiro Takayama & Takuma Sano besiegen Mohammed Yone & Masao Inoue (14:02) nach einem Knee Lift von Takayama gegen Inoue.
5. Takashi Sugiura, KENTA & Atsushi Aoki besiegen Kensuke Sasaki, Katsuhiko Nakajima & Satoshi Kajiwara (18:11) nach einem Olympic Slam von Sugiura gegen Kajiwara.
6. NTV Cup Jr. Heavyweight Tag League - Block B: Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Genba Hirayanagi [2] besiegen Dick Togo & Yasu Urano [2] (14:25) nach dem Touch Out von Kanemaru gegen Urano.
7. NTV Cup Jr. Heavyweight Tag League - Block A: Taiji Ishimori & Ricky Marvin [3] besiegen Great Sasuke & Kenbai [0] (13:41) mit einem 450 Splash von Ishimori gegen Kenbai.

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Block A:
1. Taiji Ishimori & Ricky Marvin [3]
2. Roderick Strong & Eddie Edwards [2]
3. Katsuhiko Nakajima & Satoshi Kajiwara [1]
4. Great Sasuke & Kenbai [0]
5. KENTA & Atsushi Aoki [0]

Block B:
1. Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Genba Hirayanagi [2]
-. Dick Togo & Yasu Urano [2]
-. Jack Evans & Extreme Tiger [2]
-. Atsushi Kotoge & Daisuke Harada [2]
5. Yoshinari Ogawa & Kotaro Suzuki [0]



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1. Shuhei Taniguchi besiegt Masao Inoue (10:41) mit einem German Suplex Hold.
2. Ricky Marvin vs. Extreme Tiger - Time Limit Draw (15:00).
3. 3 WAY Match: Jack Evans besiegt Taiji Ishimori & Satoshi Kajiwara (7:06) mit einem 630 Splash von Evans gegen Kajiwara.
4. Takashi Sugiura besiegt Atsushi Aoki (10:57) mit einem Ankle Lock.
5. Go Shiozaki, Yoshinari Ogawa & Kotaro Suzuki besiegen Mohammed Yone, Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Genba Hirayanagi (12:12) nach dem Go Flasher von Shiozaki gegen Hirayanagi.
6. NTV Cup Jr. Heavyweight Tag League - Block A: Great Sasuke & Kenbai [2] besiegen Roderick Strong & Eddie Edwards [2] (13:42) mit einem Sasuke Segway von Sasuke gegen Edwards.
7. Yoshihiro Takayama, Takuma Sano & KENTA besiegen Kensuke Sasaki, Katsuhiko Nakajima & Takashi Okita (15:38) nach einem Face Kick von KENTA gegen Okita.

Block A:
1. Taiji Ishimori & Ricky Marvin [3]
2. Great Sasuke & Kenbai [2]
3. Roderick Strong & Eddie Edwards [2]
4. Katsuhiko Nakajima & Satoshi Kajiwara [1]
5. KENTA & Atsushi Aoki [0]

Block B:
1. Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Genba Hirayanagi [2]
-. Dick Togo & Yasu Urano [2]
-. Jack Evans & Extreme Tiger [2]
-. Atsushi Kotoge & Daisuke Harada [2]
5. Yoshinari Ogawa & Kotaro Suzuki [0]

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Old 10-19-2010, 09:47 AM   #1186 (permalink)
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Ogawa beat Edwards in 52 seconds??? really? ewww.
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Old 10-19-2010, 09:56 AM   #1187 (permalink)
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It was by DQ actually. Edwards beat on him until the REF disqualified him and Suzuki came out to help.
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:26 AM   #1188 (permalink)
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KENTA and Marufuji are pretty shitty draws, but they are Juniors and in most cases Jrs are not draws in "traditional puroresu"
One thing that should be said is that we are no longer in the age of "Traditional Puroresu".
That has been the case since the turn of the century. New Japan took the first jump, but that was partly because Inoki was a bit crazy, lol. Dragon Gate is gaining popularity and is far from the traditional sense. Same for DDT in terms of bringing in the new age.

NOAH was founded in the first place to be different than AJPW of the 90's, in a sense trying to form a new feel around primarily Japanese wrestlers. Though that can be easily seen as not happening, it was what NOAH was founded upon nonetheless.

Also Juniors are not over, I got one name for you Prince Devitt.
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Old 10-19-2010, 12:37 PM   #1189 (permalink)
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He said in most cases, i.e there's some exeptions. Generally speaking juniors dont put buts in seats like heavyweights do.
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Old 10-19-2010, 01:15 PM   #1190 (permalink)
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He said in most cases, i.e there's some exeptions. Generally speaking juniors dont put buts in seats like heavyweights do.
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One thing that should be said is that we are no longer in the age of "Traditional Puroresu".
That has been the case since the turn of the century. New Japan took the first jump, but that was partly because Inoki was a bit crazy, lol. Dragon Gate is gaining popularity and is far from the traditional sense. Same for DDT in terms of bringing in the new age.
Oh i know man, Dragon Gate probably being the only company that actually makes money is a perfect example of that, and their fanbase that does not relate with traditional puro.

NOAH and New Japan are still regarded as "traditional" puro companys though. And NOAH has had arcaic booking 3/4 of their existance, Juniors are not draws.

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Also Juniors are not over, I got one name for you Prince Devitt.
Devitt is over huge, specially in Korakuen, i don't debate that. KENTA and Maru are also very popular but the fact is that you can't expect Jrs to do big business in places bigger than Korakuen Hall or JCB Hall. It's just not how it works, of course there might be exeptions (Liger) but you can't expect guys like KENTA and Maru to bring big money if you are a company like NOAH.
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