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Old 06-05-2010, 12:05 AM   #4381 (permalink)
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I'm not saying only run 12 shows a year, but something like 25 would be ideal.

The problem isn't with their big shows, it's the company overall. Being able to pull off big shows is nice, but if you're running 40 shows a year and 10 of them are big shows, and that's all you pay attention to then something is wrong.

I've been saying since Gabe left that the amount of shows and their length need to be cut. It'll make the product so much easier to watch because you don't need to search for the time to watch 40 shows a year that range from 3-3.5 hours long. Show lengths for shows in Dayton, Detroit, and the rest of the small/mid-size markets should be cut to 2.5 hours, maybe an extra 15 mins every here and there. Then, your bigger shows in Chicago, NYC, etc will stay at 3-3.5 hours.
They have been cutting the smaller shows to 2 hours + havent they?
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Old 06-05-2010, 12:48 AM   #4382 (permalink)
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The shows should be even shorter. Cut out some of the tedious undercard shit to get it done.
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They have been cutting the smaller shows to 2 hours + havent they?
Haven't watched a full show in forever, but whenever I read results it seems like they still go too long on those B-shows.

There's just too much bullshit on the undercard. The wrong people are getting too much time to work. Giving mediocre workers more time to work doesn't mean the matches are gonna be good, which seems to be what Pearce thinks.
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I don't get the complaint. If you think the shows are too long and the undercard too weak, just watch the matches you're interested in.
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I don't get the complaint. If you think the shows are too long and the undercard too weak, just watch the matches you're interested in.
but from his post he just seems to be complaining about shows he doesnt even watch..

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How can you judge the product then without watching it... Would be like me reading about the last RAW and saying wow that was awful..
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To be fair, ROH have cut down ALOT when it comes to shows in comparison to last year.

Last year the Anniversary show was in March, and there had been 10 2009 shows before it.
This year the Anniversary show was in February, and only one 2010 show had taken place.

So in the span of just one extra month, ROH did an extra 8 or 9 shows.

The current amount of shows ROH are doing has been perfectly fine. It's certainly cut down on the amount of bad shows that have been happening, infact of all the shows so far this year I can say that only one show was seriously boring (that being Gold Rush).

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Its astounding that, as awesome as the CZW/ROH feud was, there was still SO much more that could have been done. The obvious Joe/Necro and Joe/Hero matches in ROH, and a buncha shit in CZW. Aside from that BLKOUT/Gen Next 6-man there was basically nothing done, unless ya wanna count the BOTB6 having ROH wrestlers in it. God, I'm so happy I got into indy wrestling/ROH right at the beginning of that feud. Easily one of the most fun times to be a fan.
Seriously an amazing time to be a fan of ROH (or indy wrestling in general). I literally could not wait for each show just to see what had happened.
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They're moving forward in cutting down the number of shows from last year which has helped them but their biggest problem in terms of the shows is the god awful undercard. It's way too long, tedious and boring. To bring PWG back into the argument just for a second look at their undercards and how they're the total opposite which is a large reason as to why their shows are so much easier to watch.
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I wouldn't even say the undercard has been too long as much as it has been underutilized. One of my favorite parts of Gabe's era was knwoing that any match had a chance to be good, no matter where it was on the card. I don't care about a long undercard if its good wrestling, but Pearce seems to want to use all of these matches as filler or storyline advancement. The undercard doesn't necessarily need to be shorter: it just needs to mean something again, and that starts with better finishes.
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My Ratings for Best of HdNet Volume 1.

1. Grudge Match: Tyler Black vs, Jimmy Jacobs- Episode # 1 - ***1/2
2. Bryan Danielson vs. Austin Aries- Episode # 3 - ***
3. Austin Aries vs. Kenny Omega- Episode # 4 - ***3/4
4. Bryan Danielson vs. Tyler Black- Episode # 6 - ***3/4
5. Roderick Strong vs. Austin Aries- Episode # 7 - ***1/2
6, Bryan Danielson vs. Tyler Black- Episode # 8 - ****1/4
7. World Tag Team Title Match: Kevin Steen & El Generico vs. Rhett Titus & Kenny King- Episode # 9 - ***1/4
8. Jay Briscoe vs. Kenny Omega vs. Kenny King- Episode # 10 - ***3/4 (This was a extremly fun 3 way)
9. World Tag Team Title Tables Match: Kevin Steen & El Generico vs. The American Wolves- Episode # 11 - ****
10. ROH World Title Match: Jerry Lynn vs. Bryan Danielson vs. Tyler Black vs. Austin Aries- Episode # 12 - ****1/2

Overall this is a brilliant dvd with not one bad match and well worth the $15. Cant wait for a Volume 2
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My Ratings for Best of HdNet Volume 1.

1. Grudge Match: Tyler Black vs, Jimmy Jacobs- Episode # 1 - ***1/2
2. Bryan Danielson vs. Austin Aries- Episode # 3 - ***
3. Austin Aries vs. Kenny Omega- Episode # 4 - ***3/4
4. Bryan Danielson vs. Tyler Black- Episode # 6 - ***3/4
5. Roderick Strong vs. Austin Aries- Episode # 7 - ***1/2
6, Bryan Danielson vs. Tyler Black- Episode # 8 - ****1/4
7. World Tag Team Title Match: Kevin Steen & El Generico vs. Rhett Titus & Kenny King- Episode # 9 - ***1/4
8. Jay Briscoe vs. Kenny Omega vs. Kenny King- Episode # 10 - ***3/4 (This was a extremly fun 3 way)
9. World Tag Team Title Tables Match: Kevin Steen & El Generico vs. The American Wolves- Episode # 11 - ****
10. ROH World Title Match: Jerry Lynn vs. Bryan Danielson vs. Tyler Black vs. Austin Aries- Episode # 12 - ****1/2

Overall this is a brilliant dvd with not one bad match and well worth the $15. Cant wait for a Volume 2
I have to agree on the match ratings, maybe the tables match a little higher and the four way a little lower. Overall some Great matches, and a must buy. I do feel however they could have added more to the DVD. Some video segments, interviews, maybe like a behind the scenes making of ROH. Something more than just match after match. All in all, still a great Dvd, and a steal at 15$ with a sale.
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