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Guess where Abdullah The Butcher just popped up?

If you guessed Dragon Gate of all places you are correct and problably loling like I am.
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Abby vs Stalker? Sounds pretty awesome if thats the case. And Abby is still a huge legend over there.
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Proving Ground 2009 Night 2

Jerry Lynn Vs. Shawn Osborne - * 1/2
Kenny King & Rhett Titus Vs. The British Lions **
Bison Smith Vs. John Kermon - squash
Davey Richards Vs. Kevin Steen ***1/4
AOTF Vs. Black/Butcher - **3/4
Austin Aries Vs. Brad Attitude - ***
Strong/Stevens/Albright Vs. Dark City Fight Club - ***1/2
Bryan Danielson Vs. El Generico - ***3/4
Nigel McGuiness Vs. D-lo - ***1/2

For a while, this was the best show to own for early 09 ROH DVD's. Kinda sad. Danielson Vs Generico was great. Loved the hug segment. D-lo vs. Nigel was pretty fun too.

Take no prisoners 2009

Colt Vs. Steel - **
4 on 4 match - ***
Jimmy Jacobs Vs. Necro No DQ war - ***3/4
Claudio Vs. Blue Demon Vs. Albright - *1/2
Roderick Strong Vs. Alex Koslov - ***
Jerry Lynn Vs. Danielson Vs. D-lo Vs. Stevens - ***
Aries/Nakajima Vs. Black/Kenta - ****1/4

Uneven, but overall good undercard with a great main event. Also, please don't skip Jimmy Jacobs Vs. Necro. Yes, all the mundane and unremarkable AOTF related matches over the last many months have been for the most part, skip worthy, but Jimmy Jacobs Vs. Necro literally have a "feud ender" here. What a great fight without honor and biggest surprise of the show ! Not a must see show, but the show isn't a rip off either.

7th Anniversary Show

Roderick Strong & Erick Stevens vs. Rhett Titus & Kenny King - **3/4
Claudio Castagnoli vs. Brent Albright - ***
Bobby Dempsey vs. Sweet N Sour mystery opponent - squash
Jerry Lynn vs. Mike Quackenbush - **3/4
Tyler Black, Delirious, & The Necro Butcher vs. Jimmy Jacobs, Brodie Lee, & Austin Aries (Revolution Rules Match) - **3/4
Bryan Danielson & a mystery partner vs. Bison Smith & a mystery partner - **1/2
Jay Briscoe vs. D-Lo Brown - ***
Kevin Steen & El Generico vs. The American Wolves (World Tag Team Title Match) - ***3/4
Nigel McGuinness vs. KENTA (ROH World Title Match) - ****1/2

You won't see the greatest compilation of wrestling on this show, but what you get is a great tag team hardcore match and an incredible and believable main event that in my opinion, surpasses Danielson Vs. Kenta's world title match. In the end though, this is a two match show.

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ROH Supercard of Honor IV

Nigel opens the DVD with one of the best cut promos in ages. So awesome and the reason why Nigel is one of the best in the world during his title run. Amazing stuff.

Erick Stevens vs. Rhett Titus

Decent opener. Generic heel vs face match and kinda forumalaic. Titus is a great gimmick but I much prefer him in the ring with King as King is actually exiting to watch wrestle was well. Titus isn't that great in the ring but he is improving. Too much of a comedy character for me to take him that seriously in the ring atm though.

**

Chris Hero, Eddie Edwards & Incognito vs. Kevin Steen, Jay Briscoe & Magno

Thank fuck for Magno in this one. Hated this if I'm being honest. The top rope busting probably didn't help but they could have improvised a bit better around it. Turned it into more of a comedy match perhaps. Incognito sucked. Magno just seemed to stand on the apron all the match. Got to the point where I actually felt kinda sorry for him. He'd been flown in to basically hit a few spots. Magno's little run was all I cared for in this match though. The moonsault off the top of the ring post was nice improvisation and original.

The working over of Steen's leg was good and constant throughout. Why wasn't Generico in the match rather than Jay though? Surely Generico would have been ideal in this match with Steen and Magno and Jay could have been in the filler 4 corner to make up the numbers.


*1/2

D'Lo is a heel btw. It says so on his t-shirt if you were still confused after the last show. God knows why Pearce turned him heel when he's naturally over and gets a huge pop without doing anything. Lame promo. Stopped caring for D'Lo in ROH already.

Katsuhiko Nakajima vs. Roderick Strong

It's a damn shame that this one only get around 10 minutes. For what they had to work with they put on a great match though. The "This is Awesome" chants before the match actually even started baffled me. The crowd felt kinda like a wXw crowd. They were hot all night though to be fair. Strong's selling is spot on for the leg and Nakajima worked well with him as you'd expect.

Not really feeling the **** love that other people have been throwing at it. It was very good and all but didn't get long enough to be a MOTYC imo. Good job this was in the spot on the card it was otherwise I may have stopped watching by time I got to Danielson/Koslov. Very enjoyable sprint though between two extremely talented men. Hopefully they work a longer match together sometime in the future.


***1/2

Bobby Dempsey vs. Kamala

Sweet N Sour's mystery opponent. So how the fucking hell did Bobby Dempsey paint his fat body like Kamala before it then if he didn't know who his opponent would be! You telling me he took his chances and took a wild guess, Pearce? Bit of common sense would be nice. Kamala and Kim Chee coming out was great though. Nice pop and all. Still makes no sense to me why Kamala was Sweet N Sour's myserty opponent. Shane Hagadorn now in charge of ringside operations btw? Lame excuse for keeping him on the roster to me. He serves no purpose to Hero or The Wolves. Kim Chee owns btw.

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El Generico vs. Claudio Castagnoli vs. Blue Demon Jr vs. Brent Albright

The Lucha guys they brought in fucking failed. Incognito was awful in the other match, Magno was fun but he did nothing outside of his few spots and I don't remember Blue Demon Jr doing anything in this match actually thinking back. He seemed very slow around the ring. Generico was hardly in the match either. Why he was in this and not the 6 man I'll never understand. May as well been a Albright/Claudio rematch from 7AS. Low blow for a finish is lame. Low blow and then hit your finisher at least. Hated this even more than the 6 man earlier.

The Lucha guys were a waste of time for this show. Such a shame the DragonGate guys are on bad terms with ROH now and don't do this weekend of shows anymore cause they fucking owned when they came over. They were actually better in ROH than their own promotion I thought. Every match they'd put on something fun and more often than not some absolutely great matches for the weekend of shows and whenever else they showed up. In contrast with them, the Lucha guys looked like backyard wrestlers. I haven't seen them before, or much modern day Lucha stuff to be fair so I'll try not to judge them too much entirely on this show's performance.

Kick this and Dempsey's match (if you can call it that) off the card and give Strong/Nakajima another 10 minutes or so.


*1/4

Bryan Danielson vs. Alex Koslov

Koslov is fun. Tons of charisma and a great gimmick, if a little obvious for a heel. Americans can be so fickle at times. Anyone who's a foreigner is instantly over as a heel. All they need to do is bring a foreign flag to the ring with them and they get instant heat. I do like Koslov though. Seen a fair bit of his stuff in PWG and some of his matches in AAA where he's been impressive. He's pretty good in the ring too imo to back his gimmick up.

I wish Pearce would stop booking Danielson in matches like this though. Give him a better opponent or at least more time and he's the kind of guy who can work a MOTYC match with the right guy any show. See 2008. Almost every match in ROH was around **** and he had countless MOTYC's. This year outside of the TV Show, he's had one with Generico that I've seen to date. Stop fucking him over or else he'll leave before too long and then where will ya be Pearce.

Match was good btw. Would have prefered Danielson going crazy when Koslov went for his Cattle Mutilation and MMA Elbows (this was awesome btw) to have gone longer and flowed a bit better. Very fun match though.


***

Colt Cabana vs. D-Lo Brown

Huge pop for D'Lo. Shame he's a heel though (Says so on his shirt btw). Colt is obviously massively over simply because he's Colt Boom Boom Cabana. God knows why he was booked to lose in his first singles match back, knucks for the win or not. Oh yeah he lost on his return to Chicago too. Bravo, Pearce. I try not to hate on him and give him the benefit of the doubt but some of his booking on this show was abismal. Coudln't get into the match. Same as with D'Lo's match with Jay at 7AS.

**1/2

KENTA vs. Davey Richards - GHC Jr. Heavyweight Championship

Well this is quite the match to say the least. Not ***** though. I'll get to that later. If you've seen their match in 2006 at Fight Of The Century, then think of that, add in how much KENTA has come on since then and the fact that Davey has turned into one of ROH's best now since he left No Remorse Corps and you can imagine how great this is. Both men go full out for this one and it totally pays off. Stiff as. Davey's dive on KENTA and into the crowd was awesome and got the crowd immediatly worked up to the max for this one.

The finish kinda tarnishes is but not much. ROH should have just left it as it was. From what I remember being told, KENTA went for a inverted GTS as you can see but dropped him and picked him back up for a regular one. If anybody at the show like Benjo or Chris can confirm this then thanks. If not I'll presume I'm rambling to myself and nobody bothers reading this. Anyway on the DVD it goes from an inverted GTS into a regular one across the ring. Looks so dodgy and doesn't cover anything up.


Wouldn't go the full 5 for this one. One the ending and how it's edited on the DVD stops it being perfection which a 5* match should be. I probably wouldn't say that if they didn't edit it out. Also I just didn't think there was enough in it for the full 5. That's just nitpicking though. It is one hell of a contest and I should really watch it again before settling on a rating, either ****1/4 or 1/2. See how much I enjoy when/if I rewatch it. Did love it.

Davey getting the mic and saying "That's what ROH is all about" was awesome after. Davey is in general kinda awesome so it's not suprising. Davey showing mutual respect for KENTA after was a great touch too.


****1/4+

Tyler Black & The Necro Butcher vs. Austin Aries & Jimmy Jacobs

Not only am I bored of this whole AOTF angle by now I'm actually bored of Tyler. Pearce dropped the ball by not having him take the belt off Nigel and now I've stopped caring for him as much. Plus I don't seem to enoy his ring work as much anymore. Bit too much formulaic imo and you can almost write out his match before it happens. One thing that annoys the hell out of me in his matches is how he'll irish whip his opponent and go for a dropkick and always land on his feet when his opponent stops in the ropes. Every time. Like how Kota Ibushi will always land on his feet for the first moonsault off the top rope and his opponent will be roll into position for the second standing one. Like I said it just seems to be the same forumla for all of his matches now, with little variation.

Same with all of these AOTF matches recently. Seems to be the same forumla for every match. No real control with a brawl in the crowd at some point. Also Necro going through a table or putting someone through a table makes table spots look so uninteresting.

The Aries/Jacobs relationship is just confusing at this point. It's not really going one direction or the other. Seen better matches around this AOTF angle and this was nothing speical tbh.


**1/2

Nigel McGuinness vs. Jerry Lynn ROH World Championship

This is brilliant. Nigel is amazing and his title reign has been just incredible. The selling of his two torn biceps is top notch, although I wouldn't be suprised if a lot of it was genuine pain coming from him. Nice to see Lynn work on the arms which KENTA didn't really seem to do enough at 7AS. Crowd is awesome for this match and were hot all night. It's just a really brilliant match and the perfect ending to Nigel's amazing title reign. Everything was right for it and worked perfectly. Nigel is insanely awesome in absolutely everything he does and of course Lynn can more than hold his own share of the deal.

Finish is worked brilliantly and very climatic. The aftermath of Lynn's title win was a great moment, especially for the crowd giving props to Nigel for an amazing reign and Nigel giving props back as he walked out. An amazing ROH moment and a brilliant match.


****1/4

Overall:

If it wasn't for KENTA/Davey and Nigel/Lynn it would be a poor show. Strong/Nakajima was good for what it was but didn't get the time it deserved and Danielson/Koslov was fun. Everything else was poor and poorly booked. Some great matches but the rest of the show, particuarly the undercard is extremely poor. Had the rest of the show matched up with the big matches it would have been a great show. Think I enjoyed 7AS more throughout but the 2 classics on this show probably make it the slightly better show.
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Final Battle 2008

Claudio Castagnoli vs. Kenny Omega - **1/2
The Necro Butcher vs. Chris Hero vs. Jerry Lynn vs. Rhett Titus (Four Corner Survival)- **1/2
Kevin Steen & El Generico vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Delirious (World Tag Team Title Match) - **3/4
Brent Albright, Roderick Strong, & Erick Stevens vs. Davey Richards, Eddie Edwards, & Go Shiozaki (New York City Street Fight)- ***1/2
Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima vs. Jay & Mark Briscoe (International Dream Tag Team Match) - ****
Austin Aries vs. Tyler Black (#1 Contender's Match) - ****
Nigel McGuinness vs. Naomichi Marufuji (ROH World Title Match) - ****
Takeshi Morishima vs. Bryan Danielson (Fight Without Honor)- ****1/4

Sometimes, a show can end with a one-two punch. This show however, took it to the next level with a one-two-three-four punch. The final four matches in this DVD make this out a doubt, one of the best buys in ROH history. The unique tag match, the intensity of Aries Vs. Black, the great title defense, and the gore and emotion of the fight without honor. Great, great show. Forget about the undercard !
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Even though I don't think it's the best show in ROH history, Final Battle 2008 has to be in like the top 3 in terms of how stacked the card was.

As for the GTS edit, KENTA caught Davey in the inverted GTS but when he went for the knee, it barely connected. He picked him back up in the inverted GTS again and probably thought "Fuck, just go for the normal version", dropped Davey and hit the normal GTS.
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IWA: Texas presents The 2008 Lone Star Classic


Jason Hades vs. Awesome Andy vs. Shawn Vexx - ***
Bobby Dempsey vs. Sara Del Rey vs. Evan Gelistico - *
Gary Jay vs. DINGO vs. Arik Cannon - ***1/2
Jerry Lynn vs. Scot Summers vs. Jimmy Jacobs - ***1/2
Drew Lucid vs. Jacob Ladder - **1/4
Shawn Vexx vs. Evan Gelistico - **
DINGO vs. Jimmy Jacobs - ****
Pierre Abernathy, Team Smurf & Diamond Icee vs. Junior Garza, Alektra Blue, Rachel Summerlyn & Darin Childs - **3/4
JT Lamotta vs. Super-Electro vs. Michael Payne vs. Mike Dell - **1/2
Shawn Vexx vs Jimmy Jacobs - ***3/4

This is my hometown promotion here in the San Antonio/Austin area. I've been to every one of their shows since early 2007 (they're probably best remembered for their show with IWA-MS "Sunday, bloody sunday" with MASADA vs. Necro) They're a great, underrated little company that you'll be seeing me do some reviews of their bigger shows. Their shows are on smart mark video, too.

Lone star classic 2007

Awesome Andy vs. Human Tornado vs. Tony Morales - ***
Gregory Symonds vs. Mike Dell vs. Joey Ryan - **
Massive vs. JT Lamotta vs. Darin Childs - **
Arik Cannon vs. Jimmy Jacobs vs. Chris Hero - ****
Rachel Summerlyn vs. Andy Dalton ***
Human Tornado vs. Joey Ryan - ****++
Arik Cannon vs. JT Lamotta - ***3/4
U-30 Championship Scramble Match: Berry Breeze vs. Probles vs. Nathan Sinn vs. Dillion Stone vs. Shawn Vexx vs. Marco Riviera - ***
Jaykus Plisken vs. Skylar Skelly vs. Scot Summers vs. Bryan Danielson - ***1/2
JT Lamotta vs. Human Tornado - ***3/4

What an awesome show this was. If you're gonna buy one IWA:Texas/ACW show, make it this one. I'm not lying when I say that the best Joey Ryan Vs. Human Tornado match to have occurred happened in San Antonio, Texas. They went all out ! The triple threat with hero, jacobs and cannon was all kinds of awesome. And finally, JT Lamotta (ACW's "WRK RATE" guy) vs Tornado was all kinds of great. Awesome DVD, really.

CZW - X

Little Mondo vs. Drew Gulak - *1/2
Sami Callihan vs. Jon Dahmer - **
Tag Team Gauntlet: S.A.T., 2.0, LJ Cruz & Izzy Kensington, GNC, All Money Is Legal & Tyler Veritas & Adam Cole - **3/4
Sabian vs. Egotistico Fantastico - ***
Drew Blood vs. Pinkie Sanchez - ***
The Best Around & El Sexisto vs. 2 Girls, 1 Cup & Lord Everett Devore - **1/2
Devon Moore vs. Ruckus - 1/2* AWFUL
Ryan McBride vs. Carter Gray - **3/4
Fans Bring The Weapons: The H8 Club vs. Cult Fiction - *
No Rope Barbed Wire: Eddie Kingston vs. Drake Younger - ***1/2

I'm a huge, HUGE Eddie Kingston mark, so naturally, I had to get this. It's a well, decent show I suppose. There are some good matches scattered around here and there. Drew Blood Vs. Pinkie Sanchez really surprised me. I liked that Lord Everett Devore was the mystery guy. Anyway, Eddie Kingston Vs. Drake Younger was a great NRBW contest. Some awesome near falls ! Back drop on the barbed wire board ! A barbed wire wrapped back fist ! Good stuff. Not an excellent match or anything, but pretty good. OK show. Don't be afraid of the skip button though, because when something looks bad, it's more than likely .. pretty bad.

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IWA: Texas presents The 2008 Lone Star Classic


Jason Hades vs. Awesome Andy vs. Shawn Vexx - ***
Bobby Dempsey vs. Sara Del Rey vs. Evan Gelistico - *
Gary Jay vs. DINGO vs. Arik Cannon - ***1/2
Jerry Lynn vs. Scot Summers vs. Jimmy Jacobs - ***1/2
Drew Lucid vs. Jacob Ladder - **1/4
Shawn Vexx vs. Evan Gelistico - **
DINGO vs. Jimmy Jacobs - ****
Pierre Abernathy, Team Smurf & Diamond Icee vs. Junior Garza, Alektra Blue, Rachel Summerlyn & Darin Childs - **3/4
JT Lamotta vs. Super-Electro vs. Michael Payne vs. Mike Dell - **1/2
Shawn Vexx vs Jimmy Jacobs - ***3/4

This is my hometown promotion here in the San Antonio/Austin area. I've been to every one of their shows since early 2007 (they're probably best remembered for their show with IWA-MS "Sunday, bloody sunday" with MASADA vs. Necro) They're a great, underrated little company that you'll be seeing me do some reviews of their bigger shows. Their shows are on smart mark video, too.

Lone star classic 2007

Awesome Andy vs. Human Tornado vs. Tony Morales - ***
Gregory Symonds vs. Mike Dell vs. Joey Ryan - **
Massive vs. JT Lamotta vs. Darin Childs - **
Arik Cannon vs. Jimmy Jacobs vs. Chris Hero - ****
Rachel Summerlyn vs. Andy Dalton ***
Human Tornado vs. Joey Ryan - ****++
Arik Cannon vs. JT Lamotta - ***3/4
U-30 Championship Scramble Match: Berry Breeze vs. Probles vs. Nathan Sinn vs. Dillion Stone vs. Shawn Vexx vs. Marco Riviera - ***
Jaykus Plisken vs. Skylar Skelly vs. Scot Summers vs. Bryan Danielson - ***1/2
JT Lamotta vs. Human Tornado - ***3/4

What an awesome show this was. If you're gonna buy one IWA:Texas/ACW show, make it this one. I'm not lying when I say that the best Joey Ryan Vs. Human Tornado match to have occurred happened in San Antonio, Texas. They went all out ! The triple threat with hero, jacobs and cannon was all kinds of awesome. And finally, JT Lamotta (ACW's "WRK RATE" guy) vs Tornado was all kinds of great. Awesome DVD, really.
Gotta say I marked when I saw this post. Lamotta's one of my favorites in the Texas scene. He's a fantastic talent.
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Tyler Black and Bryan Danielson vs. American Wolves - Tag Title Classic

45 minute time limit match. Danielson & Black are really a great team. Danielson sells the leg beautifully for this clash, he never stops. Tyler Black is consistent, and offers a high flying aspect to the match. Davey is awesome, easily the Man Of The Match. Wolves attack, they're relentless. This 45 minute classic is up there with some of the best Tag Team matches of all time. The crowd really fucking sucked at the ending, throwing rubbish in the ring. As if 45 minutes wasn't enough the retarded wrestling fans wanted more and couldn't accept the match for what it was. Aside from some minor sloppyness (Black botched the CM at the end), and a better ending the match would of been 5 stars. Regardless, a sure fire MOTYC and one of the best Tag Matches I've ever seen.. Props to all men for going out there, wrestling for the time they did and putting on some of the best wrestling in the world; these guys were awesome.

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Koslov is fun. Tons of charisma and a great gimmick, if a little obvious for a heel. Americans can be so fickle at times. Anyone who's a foreigner is instantly over as a heel. All they need to do is bring a foreign flag to the ring with them and they get instant heat. I do like Koslov though. Seen a fair bit of his stuff in PWG and some of his matches in AAA where he's been impressive. He's pretty good in the ring too imo to back his gimmick up.
I 100% agree. It's really fucking annoying that a foreigner can't fly his countries flag without the american idiots in the audience chanting for their own country. I agree with you, they're instantly over as a heel as long as they bring a flag with them to the audience. This Koslov character owns, btw. Although I can't see Danielson leaving just because he's being booked in *** matches.. Actually, wouldn't that be a blessing? Good review anyway Seabs.

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To be fair as annoying as it is, by the end of the match Koslov was getting cheered by alot of people in the crowd and was constantly cheered the next night against Roddy. Plus when I was leaving the show, loads of people were still going "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

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I want Koslov to come back.
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