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ROH The Final Countdown Tour - Boston


The Young Bucks vs. Cheech and Cloudy
***1/2

Sonjay Dutt vs. Delirious
**1/2

FOUR CORNER SURVIVAL: El Generico vs. Claudio Castagnoli vs. Petey Williams vs. Chris Hero
***1/4

ANYTHING GOES MATCH: Kevin Steen vs. Eddie Edwards
***

Dark City Fight Club vs. “Sugarfoot” Alex Payne & Bobby Dempsey
*3/4

Nigel McGuinness vs. Roderick Strong
***3/4

Austin Aries & Rhett Titus vs. Colt Cabana & Kenny Omega
**3/4

Bryan Danielson vs. Davey Richards
****3/4
Better than KENTA/Davey, in my opinion.

Really good show. I agree, best Final Countdown show thus far. Looking forward to GBH.
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Dragon/Davey was fucking outstanding. I was enthralled from bell to bell, and that pretty much never happens any more. It was just as good as Dragon/Hero from GSF. Davey's heel mannerisms were fantastic, and there was so much heat in this match. So great. If anything, it went a little too short. I could have watched them go for another fifteen to twenty minutes.

There haven't been a ton of fantastic matches in ROH this year, but this was one of them. ****3/4.
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ROH - 7th Anniversary Show

1. Kenny King & Rhett Titus vs Erick Stevens & Roderick Strong
**3/4
Good but short

2. Claudio Castagnoli vs Brent Albright
***

3. Adam Pearce vs Bobby Dempsey
SQUASH

4. Mike Quackenbush vs Jerry Lynn
***

5. Ultimate Endurance - Revolution Rules
Austin Aries, Jimmy Jacobs & Brodie Lee vs Tyler Black, Delirious & Necro Butcher
***1/4

6. Bison Smith & Jimmy Rave vs Bryan Danielson & Colt Cabana
***
The crowd went nuts for Cabana. Was awesome plus the Final Countdown played afterwards .

7. D-Lo Brown vs Jay Briscoe
**3/4

8. ROH Tag Team Title - No DQ Match
Steenerico vs The American Wolves
***3/4

9. ROH World Title Match
Nigel McGuiness vs KENTA
****1/4
Must see match if you havent already.

Good main but fairly dull otherwise... Wasnt as impressed by the tag match as others were but its great to see Rave & Cabana return.
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I've got a bone to pick here.

I watched PWG DDT4 2009 last night and I have conflicting thoughts on the Finals between Danielson & Strong vs The Young Bucks. Both teams had already had two matches earlier on the card with Danielson & Strong going through both The Dynasty & MCMG, and the Bucks went through and defended their tag titles against The Cutlers & Men of Low Moral Fiber.

This is what I loved about the match. Right off the bat Danielson & Strong go out and start being the shit out of the wannabe Rockers, and I mean showing no respect to these Young Punks. Its Danielson & Strong at there psudo-prickish veterans best just basically going out and saying "You bitches are in our world now" and completely cutting off the Bucks and their superior double team work. Its great and its Tenryu level of prickish domination, its like this for literally 95% of the match. Now its not the fact The Bucks ended up winning in the end that bothers me because booking wise its still a smarter move, its not the fact they even pin Danielson that bothers me because that does make the Bucks look good, or even the fact they pretty much do it with just the "More Bang of your Buck."

What bothers me is the fact Danielson brings out just about all of his A game "I'm gonna fuckin kick your head in" offence onm jobber Nick Jackson and still doesn't put him away. I mean he goes through the Triangle, the Mutilation, the Elbows, I mean the works and he can't put away a guy who got about two moves in the whole match who had already wrestled two times prior that night. Its the equivilent of if you had a Time machine and went back to mid 90's AJPW and had the Misawa/Ogawa tag team of domination job to the lesser All Asia jobber tag team champs of Tamon Honda and Masao Inoue not only have Inoue kick out of Misawa's big elbow, the Tiger Driver and the Tiger Driver '91 and still win. Just seems wrong in the world of wrasslin.
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Jim Cornette recently released this:

You can call this an open letter. You can call it an early New Years’ Resolution, an apology for abandoning my principles, or you can call it, as I am, a contract with the pro wrestling fans.

Over the past few years I have attended numerous fanfests and wrestling events, and spoken to hundreds, if not thousands, of true wrestling fans. In the nine months my website, jimcornette.com, has been up and running, I have received literally thousands of emails from fans around the world. The overwhelming majority has said the same thing in a variety of ways – they want their pro wrestling back. They are sick of the sports entertainment. They are tired of the sport they love being treated as a Saturday Night Live sketch. They are embarrassed to admit to their friends or family that they watch wrestling nowadays, or worse yet, they have quit watching wrestling altogether. They are confused and frustrated by the way bright young wrestling stars are passed over by the big leagues in favor of bodybuilders, bikini models and quasi-celebrities or given silly, kiss-of-death gimmicks guaranteed to fail, bestowed upon them by comedy writers who have never bought one ticket to see a wrestling match. They are disgusted by the same writers who have made the matches a meaningless backdrop for silly soap opera scripted by people who, as Bill Watts used to say, if you were to be caught in an athlete’s locker room would be whistling “Stranger in Paradise”. They are fed up with the pervasive nepotism and the arrogance of Vince McMahon thinking he invented and/or owns the entire sport. Most of all, they are confounded by seeing an answer to the biggest question of all, generally phrased as “Why in the flying **** does Vince Russo have a job?”

It’s no secret that I feel the same way, that I despise “sports entertainment” and what it has done to our sport, and have long predicted the decline and ultimate demise of our industry because of it. A point that we are closer to in 2010 than ever before.

It’s also no secret that for the past three years I abandoned my principles, and not only worked for a company that’s moved even farther towards “sports entertainment”, but went against every bit of my better judgment and coexisted with the man who has done more damage to our business than anyone else in its history, the man who Bret Hat has said should be “taken out in the parking lot and hanged’, the man who Jerry Jarrett has said “writes TV like a man on LSD”, Vince Russo.

I am ashamed by this. Sure, there were mitigating circumstances, which I will list here, then summarily dismiss and never mention again – I went to work with TNA because it was the company best poised to prevent the WWE from having a monopoly on our industry – when Russo was hired, I tried to resign but was talked out of it because of my loyalty to the Jarrett family for giving me my start, and my friendship with and respect for Dutch Mantell, one of the true great minds in our business – My wishful thinking that sooner than later Dixie Carter would have a moment of clarity and fire the man responsible for more bad gimmicks, rotten television, ruined careers, unsold tickets, illogical booking and irreparable, lost potential than any 5 other bookers in history – my desire to help the great TNA talent roster and fine TV production crew overcome the Russo handicap and succeed in spite of him – and not least the fairly good-sized check I was receiving for one of the lighter schedules I have ever worked.

But none of this holds water if I was truly committed to helping produce a good product, to making wrestling better for the fans of today and the wrestlers of tomorrow. None of this matters if I had to embarrass myself by being associated with this nonsense. Even if Dixie Carter is inexperienced in wrestling, she is a grown woman and should be able to spot a moron, especially when she’s pouring tens of millions of dollars of her father’s money down a well that same moron is digging. After 30 years, I am a whole lot closer to the end of my career than the beginning, and while I have nothing left to proves as a performer, I would still rather be remembered after I am gone as someone who helped produce good professional wrestling that was enjoyable for the fans and profitable for the wrestlers and the promotion than remembered as a former star who produced inane corporate “sports entertainment” that limped along to a bitter end, decimated by the UFC and its own inability to police itself from people who have no knowledge of or respect for the profession they were allowed into.

Even though it’s true that I never publicly praised any part of TNA’s booking or creative direction, dancing around on my interviews, grasping for something positive to say, changing the subject, my very presence in a Vince Russo-booked promotion lent my tacit approval to it. I wasted three years of my life. I worked and sweated over something that ultimately had no chance of success. I abandoned my principles. I took the check. And for that, I hereby apologize to every wrestling fan in the world. I’m sorry. I’m ashamed of myself. Most importantly, I won’t do it again. And I ask for forgiveness.

As Mama Cornette used to say, “everything happens for a reason”. My total inability to force myself to back Vince Russo’s vision of wrestling led to my release from TNA, but it also led to my return to Ring of Honor. I was there 3 years ago, and I made a mistake in leaving. ROH has made great strides since that time. It’s a promotion that respects not only the sport but its fans. It’s run by good people who care about its employees and product. It has the youngest, most athletic talent roster in the industry. It has the most competitive, serious in-ring product in the country. It has a national TV outlet and a devoted fan base. And if the balance of power in wrestling is to shift, I’d like to make sure I have my thumb on the scale.

So I make this agreement, this contract, with all the wrestling fans who want an alternative, who “want their wrestling back.” I don’t care if you’re a young fan who has never seen serious pro wrestling, or an older fan who has gone away because you gave up hope, ROH is new style with old school philosophy. I am committing myself to ROH, putting my reputation and credibility where my mouth is. I am not a “big name” taking a payoff to endorse something I don’t believe in. I will not forsake ROH if or when a better offer comes along to reenter the “sports entertainment” cesspool. I truly believe Ring of Honor IS “the wrestling of the future” – and the future is NOW!

I make this pledge as my end of the contract – in return, I ask all the fans who want an alternative, who want their wrestling back, to support ROH as well. Watch the TV on HDNet – attend live events in your area – check out the DVD’s, go to their website, ROHWrestling.com – and most importantly, spread the word to your fellow fans, current AND disenfranchised. Just as ROH is bigger and better than it was three years ago, it’s not nearly what it will be in 6 months, or a year, or two years, and you can keep track of, even be responsible for, its progress.

ROH is a company that will listen to, not scoff at, its fans’ requests. But it needs your support, because NO promotion can thrive without the fans. Want your wrestling back? We want to give it to you! That’s why I make this contract with you. I will not forsake you again. Don’t forsake Ring of Honor. If you will us your support, your attention, your dedication, I pledge to you that we will not let you down.

Sincerely,

JIM CORNETTE
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ROH has its own list of problems but as usual I agree with Cornette. Wrestling is in general in a pretty sad state these days.
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I love jim cornettes views on wrestling. Hopefully he takes roh somewhere.
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Just as ROH is bigger and better than it was three years ago... ROH is a company that will listen to, not scoff at, its fans’ requests.
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ROH has its own list of problems but as usual I agree with Cornette. Wrestling is in general in a pretty sad state these days.
Pro Wrestling, in an absolute entirety, is a sinking ship.

And it doesn't look like there's a lot of life jackets to go around.
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What bothers me is the fact Danielson brings out just about all of his A game "I'm gonna fuckin kick your head in" offence onm jobber Nick Jackson and still doesn't put him away. I mean he goes through the Triangle, the Mutilation, the Elbows, I mean the works and he can't put away a guy who got about two moves in the whole match who had already wrestled two times prior that night. Its the equivilent of if you had a Time machine and went back to mid 90's AJPW and had the Misawa/Ogawa tag team of domination job to the lesser All Asia jobber tag team champs of Tamon Honda and Masao Inoue not only have Inoue kick out of Misawa's big elbow, the Tiger Driver and the Tiger Driver '91 and still win. Just seems wrong in the world of wrasslin.
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