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post #4601 of 4979 (permalink) Old 05-04-2009, 11:55 AM
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Ended up doing the IPW show in Sittingbourne after all.
Basically a mate got a SatNav for his car, wanted to give it a spin and got all worked up for a road trip.

Was a last minute thing, but i'm really, REALLY glad i went.

Great crowd, not a bad match on the card, Danielson and Pac delivered in spades (easy MOTN on any other indy show), and then somehow the Leaders vs. The Thrillers tag title match went and stole the whole show by being even better.
Seriously good stuff here, definitely picking up the DVD.
Love when shit like that happens. Me and two of my buddies did the same thing last July (minus the SatNav) and ended up going to a show in the North of Scotland. Had about 15 people there and the main event was a cage match between two guys wearing pants that chubby redneck chicks wear to oyster festivals, plus the match sucked cocker spaniel, but we got hammered and crashed in his jeep, so all's well that end's well, I guess.

Some other guy that looked about ten hundred also bled buckets and punched a referee right in the face.

Totally smoked anything TNA's done like a cheap cigarre.
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GP, how much better was Danielson/Pac in IPW than their match in ROH?
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Imagine the same match only with a longer first section, better build to moves and a finish with tons of near falls.
Oh, and none of that squashing business.
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I struggle to see how it could have been worse tbh. Their ROH match was hardly up to much considering who was in the ring.

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Great Sasuke v Super Delfin (Michinoku Pro; 1993)

Man, I was so not expecting this to be as great as it was! I mean, I remembered it being good, but I didn't remember it being *this* good.

There's no real deep story to it other than it being for the UWF Jr. heavyweight title and standard heel/face formula, but they work it smartly and effectively, focusing on their strengths and masking their weaknesses by playing away from them. Like, take Sasuke, who generally isn't the best seller unless he's in there with Liger (or when he's breaking his skull for real); Delfin doesn't bust out any extended limb work or submissions that would likely be blown off down the stretch, opting to play the role of pure DICKHEAD and attempting to humiliate Sasuke by straight up pummeling him. That works to Delfin's strength of being a cocky motherfucker, and it lets Sasuke bust out his awesome highspots later on without the need to sell limb damage (or at least try to).

Delfin's really great here. This is MPro in its early days, so the Lucha Libre roots are still noticable, and although it's a hybrid Lucha-Puro style, early MPro was more Lucha than Puro - as the cocky, arrogant rudo, Delfin does a grand job. Right from the start he's all about pissing people off, ripping at Sasuke's mask, choking him across the ropes, jawing with the crowd and generally being a prick. The best instance of this is when he tries to hook Sasuke in a Boston crab, only Sasuke keeps fighting it, so Delfin gives up on that idea and just stomps Sasuke flush in the dick instead. The he gives a thumbs up to the crowd like a total douche. There's another fun spot where Sasuke is hurt on the outside and Delfin looks set to hit a Sasuke-esque dive, but stops mid-run and throws that idea out the window, just so the crowd get their hopes up for nothing. Total dick.

Much of this is Delfin controlling Sasuke through rudo tactics, some brief submissions and high impact moves. He hits a couple really choice backbreakers that look super cool and hurty. Sasuke fights back enough that the crowd are always into it, but Delfin cuts him off at the right time and then continues to piss people off. This is how I wish Dean Malenko would've worked with Rey Jr. Although Malenko's charisma doesn't even touch Delfin's (and I'm not one of the people that thinks Malenko has no charisma whatsoever).

The finishing stretch - the last 5 minutes in particular - is pretty freakin' superb. It escalates perfectly, building from spot to spot, transitioning nicely and each nearfall is a logical extension of the previous one. I love Delfin going for his trademark roll-up (you'd know it if you ever see it) and Sasuke kicking and fighting so he can't slap it on, so Delfin gets pissed and tries to maul him some more. The last couple near falls even had me believing it was over (and I've seen this before), the first coming from a springboard moonsault that Delfin kicks out of at 2.99, and the second coming from another springboard moonsault, this time from the top rope, which Delfin kicks out of at 2.99999. Delfin's all but dead at this point, so a springboard hurricanrana seals the deal, but you get the feeling that if Delfin can focus more on putting his opponent away as opposed to trying to humiliate him and piss people off in the process, he could make an even stronger challenge if they wrestle again.

Only thing I could really complain about is that they sped up the last couple near falls quicker than they really needed to. I'm thinking that was more to do with Sasuke wanting to set up his next spot in a hurry as opposed to Delfin not wanting to sell the damage for any length of time, though. And still, it's not something terribly frustrating.

This is some really, really kick ass junior heavyweight wrestling, and stacks up very favourably with the highly praised juniors stuff from today (mostly because the latter half of this match doesn't make the former half moot, unlike a lot of juniors work these days). MPro didn't really hit its stride until 1996, but this is on par with a lot of their best stuff during their peak period from '96-mid '97. Definitely worth a look if you can find it. Actually, the Best of MPro set from IVP is what you all need to get a hold of. 12 discs of pure greatness. Grab it! Hail Delfin!

****
I watched this today and holy fuck was it a lot of fun. There were some moments were it was just draging along but between Delphin's rudo-as-fuck persona and Sasuke's I don't give a fuck if I crush my own skull i'm going to do all kinds of crazy shot persona they clicked pretty well.

I'd go with the same rating as Andy did and you all should try and find this match. Good times.

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Andy actually got me to watch it too. Here's what I said on another board:

"At first when I was watching it, I was thinking, well this is OK but I'm not sure if I'm gonna be feeling four star love by the end. Then it really picked up. I loved how Delfin got the crowd on his side by taunting for them, then doing it again, and THEN faking the suicide attempt to say fuck you. He built up their hopes that he was gonna fly, and by the time he pointed at Sasuke on the outside, the whole crowd was believing he was gonna do it. WRONG. Awesome. Didn't see Andy mention this, although maybe I missed it, but Sasuke took a nice little shit kicking. Great story of Delfin being a confident prick, but Sasuke has to much stamina and Delfin starts to grow frustrated. Like big time. He gets so desperate that he HAS to fly off the top onto Sasuke because Sasuke just won't stay down. Then he hits Sasuke with a chair and I'm barely able to comprehend that this is going on in 1993 Japan. Crowd is like 100% behind Sasuke too. Very weird to see a Japanese crowd act like this. It seriously felt like an ECW or ROH crowd. Again, mindboggling for 1993. Finishing sequence goes a tad too long, and the finish itself doesn't come off as clean as they hoped it would, but this as a great example of a match that tricks you into thinking one thing about it and then you realize that the it was all apart of the grand scheme of things for the overall structure of the match.

Rating is somewhere around ***3/4 -****. I'm probably at the latter if I had to pick one, but it could go either way when I rewatch this for the second time in about 20 years."
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I think between his antics here and his match as Super Ligerfin at the BOSJ's I need to start watching some more of that motherfucker. He is REALLY entertaining, Delphin and SUWA trying to out dick each other would have been uncomprehendable greatness.

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Guess no one is gonna be nice and give me a link to that match. Better not be hard to find or else I might have to give someone a yazuza kick upside the head.

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Delfin vs Sasuke, UWA title, title vs mask, MPro 7/24/93. One of the first big matches in company history as Sasuke takes on uber-rudo Delfin. Tons of heat, and Delfin is beyond awesome in his cockiness. 179 MB.
It's on THE SITE.
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Must of missed something, because idk what THE SITE is. Pardon my seemingly noobish attempt to ask on this, but may need another hint.

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