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Old 12-10-2008, 06:13 PM   #2821 (permalink)
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I am going to take advantage of this sale and have been thinking all day which DVD's to order. Life During Wartime is the only one I've decided on for sure. Could use some recommendations on the rest. I'm a big Alex Shelley fan, any shows where he is featured in good matchups?
The 2007 Battle of Los Angeles Night 3 has two solid Alex Shelly matches. Astonishing X-mas has a good match vs. Scott Lost and includes an awesome Guerrilla warfare match.
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:32 PM   #2822 (permalink)
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Sometimes, I feel that I am the only one that thought the first Guerrilla Warfare match was an abortion.
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Old 12-10-2008, 09:31 PM   #2823 (permalink)
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Yeah, I remember we spoke about that.

I'd actually like to see the piece if you ever get around to doing it, because the "resthold" has often been the subject of some great discussions since I started browsing the interwebz myself about 6 years ago (although I was confused as to what the fuck a resthold actually was back then).

I myself hate the fact that people are way to quick to jump on something like a headlock as a "resthold". I mean, sure, they're catching wind, but if it make sense within the context of the match then should it really have what's now become a negative term slapped on it?

The best example I can think of is from 2004 when JBL and Eddie Guerrero had their Judgment Day match. I remember reading Wade Keller's recap of the match, and it said something along the lines of "JBL slaps on a headlock because he's already sucking wind". Now, I hadn't seen the match myself at that point, so I took his word for it (for some reason) since JBL wasn't exactly someone I was expecting to hang with Eddie frickin' Guerrero. But then I actually watched the match, and thought "How the fuck is that a resthold?". He didn't slap on a headlock because he was tired, and he sure as hell didn't sit on it just to catch wind. Instead, he really cranked on it, laying right into Eddie's body to ware him down, always working, never resting. Eddie had just taken a huge back bump on the floor, so there really wasn't a much better way to get heat at that point, yet it seems to be that "lesser worker + simple hold = resthold", and it's bullshit.

I mean, the hold above certainly gave both guys a chance to catch their wind, but they worked it in a way that it wasn't a blatant attempt at doing so. Of course they're going to have to catch their wind somehow; does selling after a big move or spot by being "knocked out" qualify as being a resthold too? Does it fuck, yet people jump on simple holds far too easily and everything that's not a fancy submission seems to have bastardised into the "resthold" category.

Not to say there aren't holds that are quite clearly only used by the wrestlers themselves to catch wind, so I guess you could call that a hold for resting (because I'm a stubborn c*nt and hate the term resthold), and sometimes those holds don't serve any purpose other than for the guys to rest. But these "experts" really need to look at what the fuck is in front of them and think "OK, is he *just* resting, or is he actually working in a way where it doesn't *look* like he's resting, or is what he's doing making sense in the grand scheme?" before jumping on everything.

Basically, Baba and Destroyer > fucking Wade Keller.
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:48 PM   #2824 (permalink)
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PWG changed the company that delivers their dvds so they don't take as long as they used too.
A bullshit excuse for the garbage they put so many of their customers through. PWG is ran by transparent carnies, ones who are even more carny-like than many other promotions. When I shell out over $100 for an order, I expect good communication, honesty, and for my order to be processed and shipped as quickly as possible. I don't need to be told excuses like "Sorry man, we've been really busy putting the final touches on our Sells Out compilation."
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I've ordered through PWG for about a year and a half and never had a problem with them. Of course I wouldn't doubt they're late with order considering sometimes they can barely get a show together and half the time have to shuffle the card around.

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Sometimes, I feel that I am the only one that thought the first Guerrilla Warfare match was an abortion.
Joey Ryan vs. Super Dragon? Probably the best thing I can say about it is unmemorable.
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I guess I was the only one who liked the first Guerrilla Warfare match it seems.
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Old 12-11-2008, 04:01 AM   #2827 (permalink)
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ROH Battle of the Best

Yamato vs. Eddie Edwards
**3/4
Surprisingly good match by these two, nice way to open the show.Would have rated higher if it wasn't for some botches.

Ryo Saito vs. Austin Aries
***
Thought it told a pretty good story, nice selling by Aries, nothing overly special though.

Roderick Strong vs. Davey Richards
****
I had high expectations and it delivered, good to see Davey back in action, he's gotten a lot bigger since i saw him last time in an ROH ring.


El Generico, Shingo & Dragon Kid vs. BxB Hulk, Yoshino & Doi
*** 1/2
What you would expect, fast paced , spot friendly match.

Nigel McGuinness vs. Bryan Danielson
****
A lot of technical wrestling in this one, very good match, but not as good as their last one form the 6th anniversary show.

Age Of The Fall vs. Briscoe Bros.
***
I marked out for the "Holly Shit" chant by the Japanese crowd.

Really good show from top to bottom, not one bad match on this one. Definitely need to see this.
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The only time I've ordered off PWG before was the Sells Out 3 Disc set and that came quick.
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The best example I can think of is from 2004 when JBL and Eddie Guerrero had their Judgment Day match. I remember reading Wade Keller's recap of the match, and it said something along the lines of "JBL slaps on a headlock because he's already sucking wind". Now, I hadn't seen the match myself at that point, so I took his word for it (for some reason) since JBL wasn't exactly someone I was expecting to hang with Eddie frickin' Guerrero. But then I actually watched the match, and thought "How the fuck is that a resthold?". He didn't slap on a headlock because he was tired, and he sure as hell didn't sit on it just to catch wind. Instead, he really cranked on it, laying right into Eddie's body to ware him down, always working, never resting. Eddie had just taken a huge back bump on the floor, so there really wasn't a much better way to get heat at that point, yet it seems to be that "lesser worker + simple hold = resthold", and it's bullshit.

I mean, the hold above certainly gave both guys a chance to catch their wind, but they worked it in a way that it wasn't a blatant attempt at doing so. Of course they're going to have to catch their wind somehow; does selling after a big move or spot by being "knocked out" qualify as being a resthold too? Does it fuck, yet people jump on simple holds far too easily and everything that's not a fancy submission seems to have bastardised into the "resthold" category.

Not to say there aren't holds that are quite clearly only used by the wrestlers themselves to catch wind, so I guess you could call that a hold for resting (because I'm a stubborn c*nt and hate the term resthold), and sometimes those holds don't serve any purpose other than for the guys to rest. But these "experts" really need to look at what the fuck is in front of them and think "OK, is he *just* resting, or is he actually working in a way where it doesn't *look* like he's resting, or is what he's doing making sense in the grand scheme?" before jumping on everything.

Basically, Baba and Destroyer > fucking Wade Keller.
I'm so stealing that if i ever get around to finishing the piece...especially the "Baba and Destroyer > fucking Wade Keller" bit
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Joey Ryan vs. Super Dragon? Probably the best thing I can say about it is unmemorable.
I wish I cuold say the same for Steen vs. Super Dragon.
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