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Re: Official Indy DVD Help Thread

I'd say Final Battle 2006 is the farthest back a new fan should start. Maybe Good Times, Great Memories since it's the end of a chapter. Which reminds me...

Gabe Sapolsky's Chapters of Honor:

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ROH's history can be divided into chapter points. This is especially important for new fans. Obviously, the ROH DVDs are meant to be watched as a video series. However, with so many shows we understand that a new fan might have trouble starting with "The Era Of Honor Begins" and catching up. Therefore, if you are new to ROH and want to dive into the DVD series we suggest you begin with one of the chapter starting points. The chapters all have a different tone and tell a different story. Each one might appeal to different types of wrestling fans. To get the most out of the ROH experience we recommend you start your viewing at a chapter point and try to follow the series in order.

Here is quick overview of each chapter:

Chapter 1: 2/23/02 "Era Of Honor Begins" to 2/8/03 "First Anniversary Show"

ROH brings cutting edge wrestling to the forefront in its premier year led by first Champion Low Ki and stars like Bryan Danielson, Samoa Joe, Paul London, AJ Styles, Homicide and many others. The ROH style is defined with matches like Ki vs. Joe (Glory By Honor) and Ki vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Doug Williams vs. Spanky (Crowning A Champion). Stellar events like "Road To The Title" and "All Star Extravaganza" see ROH raise the bar on wrestling quality. This chapter ends in controversy with the infamous riot at the "First Anniversary Show" that is still asked about regularly today. This is where ROH made an immediate reputation and is at its rawest.

Chapter 2: 3/15/03 "Expect The Unexpected" to 3/12/04 "At Our Best"

Samoa Joe wins the ROH Title and makes it into a World Title. Joe leads the charge as ROH continues to evolve its style and production. The epic and bloody CM Punk vs. Raven and Homicide vs. Steve Corino feuds change the tone of ROH. Shows like "Death Before Dishonor" and "Main Event Spectacles" are considered classics.

Chapter 3: 4/23/04 "Reborn: Stage One" to 12/26/04 "Final Battle 2004"

ROH enters a new era as the product evolves to new levels with Samoa Joe as champion. Joe vs. Punk produces three must see classics at "World Title Classic," "Joe vs. Punk II" and the essential "All Star Extravaganza II" event that saw the first ever altercation between Jim Cornette and Bobby "The Brain" Heenan. Shows like "Reborn: Completion" and "Generation Next" change ROH forever. From Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat to Jushin Liger to a first time gathering of all four members of The Midnight Express, the hall of famers come to the forefront in this chapter.

Chapter 4: 1/15/05 "It All Begins" to 6/12/05 "The Future Is Now"

Austin Aries leads the charge as new World Champion in taking on a superhuman schedule. ROH presents three shows to celebrate its Third Anniversary that are all considered must own events. Mick Foley makes an impact in his feud vs. Samoa Joe while James Gibson starts his ROH run.

Chapter 5: 6/18/05 "Death Before Dishonor III" to 8/12/05 "Redemption"

Fans have dubbed this six show chapter "The Summer Of Punk" for the unpredictable and wild World Title reign of CM Punk. Fans were truly shocked at the happenings of "Death Before Dishonor III" when Punk faced Austin Aries. This was one of the matches and moments that will always be remembered in wrestling history. See the entire roster including James Gibson, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels and Mick Foley chase Punk.

Chapter 6: 8/13/05 "Punk: The Final Chapter" to 2/11/06 "Unscripted II"

The emotional farewell to CM Punk opened the door for Bryan Danielson to start his 15 month reign as ROH World Champion. Some of the greatest matches in ROH history takes place as Low Ki battles KENTA at "Final Battle 2005" and Bryan Danielson begins his feud against Roderick Strong at "This Means War" and "Vendetta." Punk returns for one last surprise visit to close out this chapter. This period will always be remember for Kenta Kobashi in ROH as he gives the ROH fans two epic matches at "Joe vs. Kobashi" and "Unforgettable."

Chapter 7: 2/25/06 "Fourth Anniversary Show" to 4/22/06 "The 100th Show"

This seven show chapter is known as "The Milestone Series" as every show saw ROH reach a new milestone. See the much talked about ROH vs. CZW feud rage out of control in some of the wildest brawls in ROH history including at "The 100th Show." Plus, Bryan Danielson's legend grows and the stars of Dragon Gate produce a match of the year and several other great matches during ROH's first ever triple shot. If you are looking to get one chapter all at once, this is it.

Chapter 8: 4/28/06 "Weekend Of Champions: Night One" to 12/23/06 "Final Battle 2006"

Bryan Danielson puts on one classic after another in winning Most Outstanding Wrestling Of The Year in The Wrestling Observer year end poll. The CZW vs. ROH feud reaches legendary status with Cage Of Death at "Death Before Dishonor IV." Just when we thought things couldn't get more insane BJ Whitmer battles Necro Butcher in a sadistic No Rope Barbed Wire Match at "War Of The Wire II." Austin Aries & Roderick Strong bring tag team wrestling back to the forefront as their nine month ROH World Tag Team Title reign kicks into high gear with several state-of-the-art contest vs. The Briscoes and many other teams.

Chapter 9: 1/26/07 "Dedicated" to 4/28/07 "Good Times, Great Memories"

ROH begins the year with a series of surprising announcements and events. The highlights come through the entire six show "Fifth Year Festival" that sees ROH celebrate its fifth birthday with one stellar event after another. The chapter ends as ROH says goodbye to some of its old stars, welcomes in fresh talent and goes into the PPV era.

Chapter 10: 5/11/07 "Reborn Again" to 9/15/07

ROH transitions into a the PPV era as new talent rises and takes the top spots. Takeshi Morishima proves to be a dominant World Champion. Bryan Danielson returns from injury with a more aggressive style. Faction warfare comes to the forefront. The Briscoes show why they are the greatest tag team in the world with a violent feud against Kevin Steen & El Generico. This chapter ends with ROH's future looking fresh and exciting.

Chapter 11: 10/5/07 to ???

This is the current chapter. There is no telling when it will end.

We hope this helps guide you through the ROH DVD landscape. You can read complete DVD listings in the "Store" section of ROHwrestling.com.

Fans are welcome to add their favorite matches, shows and things they feel shouldn't be overlooked throughout the various chapters in this thread. We are asking ROH veterans to please help guide the new fans along.

If you are looking to get a deal on DVDs check out our Ebay store and auctions. We usually have up bulk auctions on DVDs. There is a link to our Ebay store on the main page of ROHwrestling.com. There are sales all the time at ROHwrestling.com to help make ROH affordable. Check ROHwrestling.com every week for news and details.

Thank you for reading this post. Feel free to contribute to this thread with your "must see" matches & DVDs.
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DBDIV was one of the first (the 4th or 5th) ROH DVD's I got just because of the cage, I had no idea who any guys in it were and I didn't know the story. I hated the match and still to this day will not give it above **** as I find it to have been the 2nd worst cage of death (H8 Club vs. H8 Club was worse).

The rest of that show is very good. Roddy and Nigel had a ****1/4 and Briscoes and Irish Airborne tore the house down. Plus Sonjay Dutt and Danielson certainly delivered.

Why doesn't ROH run IA as a full time team. ROH is heel heavy now and I would say that they could do some good stuff with whatever is left of the NRC, SnS, or AOTF. Not to forget, they can't have a bad match with the Briscoes.

A wrestling match is like a balanced diet. The basics are carbs, keeping you going. Armdrags may not be the highlight, but they're key to the development. Dairy is emotion and crowd interaction, like bones, they strengthen the match, and in there absense, the it will fall apart. Meat is moves like suplexes and finishers. They’re cool, but if you rely on them you’d be unhealthy, and the matches unwatchable. Mat work is fruits and vegetables. We may not like them, but some is sweet chain wrestling. Last is spots and indy MoVEz~!, your sugars and fats. You can't just eat chocolate, and thus you need to do more than flips and head drops to get above ****.
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Irish Airborne always look lost in tag matches. They have no idea what they should be doing until Jake realizes "Oh, I should probably do a flip or something"

And I still don't get why people went apeshit over Briscoes vs. IA from DBD IV. *** imo.
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Irish Airborne always look lost in tag matches. They have no idea what they should be doing until Jake realizes "Oh, I should probably do a flip or something"
Not at Generation Now. I thought it was funny that even though the newcomers won, the only one that ended up doing anything with ROH was Davey. Great booking there.
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I remember being live watching IA Vs Briscoe Bros. I almost fell asleep, the IA never did anything for me at all.

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Not at Generation Now. I thought it was funny that even though the newcomers won, the only one that ended up doing anything with ROH was Davey. Great booking there.
That was different, they had the benefit of working with 1) the best tag team champions in ROH history, 2) the tag whore, 3) Jack "All you need to do is catch me when I flip" Evans, and 4) Davey "Mr. PWG Tag Champ" Richards.

They are considerably worse in straight up tag matches. Their rematch against The Briscoes at Epic Encounter 2 and their tag match against Trik Davis and someone, maybe Shane Hagadouche, at Chi-Town Struggle are just offensively bad.
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It was Trik and Hagadorn. It was awful, but I'd say that Trik and Hagadorn aren't exactly polished either.

The IA are okay, I've seen some of their HWA stuff and they weren't half bad, they just didn't fit in ROH. Its just proof that not everybody can work out in ROH.
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It was Trik and Hagadorn. It was awful, but I'd say that Trik and Hagadorn aren't exactly polished either.

The IA are okay, I've seen some of their HWA stuff and they weren't half bad, they just didn't fit in ROH. Its just proof that not everybody can work out in ROH.
IA weren't that great in IWA either. Fuck, Marek Brave's epic SSP at We're No Joke is better than anything IA has ever done.

Edit: Nm, I thought you said IWA, not HWA.
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Well, with some of the "talent" HWA has, it probably isn't hard for the IA to look better than they are.
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Shane Hagadorn insults, stop now!
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