[Taroostyles]

Originally Posted by PulseGlazer

Joe vs. Angle - *** 1/2. I'm still waiting for ONE person to explain what's so good about this? Was it the abandoned story midway through? The piss poor selling of the back by Angle and the leg by Joe? How about the MMA feel match finishing with a muscle buster? The face controlling for 3/4 of the match? What makes this work?

Are you saying Joe controlled 3/4 of the match? I haven't seen it since I saw it live, but it seemed like Angle was in control for practically the entire match.

What makes the match good is the way the match was built, pretty much perfect.

The beginning was a little more slow, but I don't think the plan was ever to keep it that slow all the way thru.

It's definitely a love/hate type of match, but people who saw every bit of build definitely will appreciate it more I think.

It was exactly the match they were building it as, and told an absolutely perfect story IMO. It was light on action I guess, but I thought it was atleast ****1/4.

[KeepItFresh]

Just added this to my MOTYC list. A fantastic tag match from NOAH's Global Tag League. Compared with the other matches on the show there was always slow/dull moments on them, but this match kept pace all the way through from Marufuji & Sugiura going after the bandaged cut about Akiyama's eye to the ended moments where nobody would stay down for the finish. Terrific bout.

NOAH Global Tag League 04/12/08: Jun Akiyama & Takeshi Rikio vs. Naomichi Marufuji & Takashi Sugiura- ****1/4

[Sephiroth]

Q: Why it deserves anything above ****?
A: Cuz we're not trying to fucking analyze it and are just trying to enjoy it. We don't need to be "oh, Angle didn't sell the back, that was fucking stupid" to enjoy it. Apparently you do tho. So good for you. But quit trying to act like you're so much better than everyone who liked it more thann you. God, this is why you're such a fucking nerd when it comes to ratings and wrestling.

You're waiting for a reason? Maybe nobody cares enough to answer. This is just like what happened with Flair vs. HBK. We're gonna have 40+ pages of people arguing, flaming, and nothing good will come from it.

[T-C]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You're waiting for a reason? Maybe nobody cares enough to answer. This is just like what happened with Flair vs. HBK. We're gonna have 40+ pages of people arguing, flaming, and nothing good will come from it.

Yea, ah well.

[-Mystery-]

How do you rate a match if you don't analyze it? Obviously you're analyzing the match somehow if you're giving it a star rating. If you're just saying that you enjoyed the match then a star rating isn't necessary. The second you start to say why you enjoyed the match is the moment you start to analyze so your first comment is quite silly.

Also, Glazer makes same valid points yets gets flammed? Why? Is it because you have no valid counter points to make?

[Sephiroth]

Point is, you and Aaron are fucking assholes when it comes to this shit

Fuck you both.

[-Mystery-]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Point is, you and Aaron are fucking assholes when it comes to this shit

Fuck you both.

Because we explained why we didn't like the match as others? I guess you would've liked us to just give a rating and not explain why. Oh wait...you probably would've just flammed us for that too.

[- Styles -]

While I think It's pointless to argue over Star ratings, I'll give my opinion about why I rated Joe/Angle as high as I did.

I took into account the varying circumstances surrounding it.

1. I'm a big Joe fan so him finally winning was great

2. The build was excellent for the match and going into it I knew they were going for a hybrid MMA style.

3. Gave them credit for trying something drastically different. Although others have seem similar style matches I hadn't so it was great to see something new.

4. The match itself was very absorbing with great ground submission style wrestling. I was immersed in the action and even though I knew Joe was winning it, doubt started to creep into my mind during the match where I didn't think it would.

I personally take into account these things when rating a match.
Take for instance 2 random wrestlers, say they have a **** match just out of the blue. With no build or no other reason to care about it besides it just being a good match.

Take the same 2, have them wrestle the exact same match and with added circumstances, for instance like the emotion behind the Flair match with his career on the line, or Joe finally winning the belt (his own career on the line as well) and it's sure to bump up the rating at least a little for me at least.

My 2 cents take it for what it's worth

[-Blaskohiro Tenryu-]

Originally Posted by AjStyles>GOD

1. I'm a big Joe fan so him finally winning was great

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That's the reason why everyone is putting this match over, really. It's because of Joe winning.

[Spartanlax]

Joe winnning had absolutely no positive/negative effect on me enjoying the match or rating it so high. Joe hasn't had my interest in quite some time...it's a shame.

Just thought I'd let people know I'm one of the few that didn't have the thoughts on the match affected by the outcome.