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Caponex75 · 07-06-2008, 01:10 PM

Haven't seen his match with Bones, Quack, or the 2 matches against Marafuji but if they ain't nothing more then **** stars then don't deserve that MOTY mention. His matches with Black(Not counting the second match due to the fact I have not seen it yet but about to) & Aries were not even MOTYC in my opinion and his match with Nigel is still stupid. He may of not of striked towards the head but he might of well had after dropping him on it so much that I got a concussion. So that leaves his match against Bones, Marafuji(Twice), Quack, and Hero. That's 5 matches to 4 matches and I doubt any of them were better than Nigel's encounter against Strong & Black or even close to his damn near classic against Aries at RA.

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Originally Posted by KeepItFresh

If Nigel is the wrestler of the year he would have had a better match with Stevens in my estimation.

Not every wrestler is good against each other. Some guys just don't have chemistry.

**-Mystery-** · 07-06-2008, 01:18 PM

You seem to have your standards set way too high imo. I mean it's common acceptance around here that a 4 star match is a MOTYC. Granted, everyone has their own opinions but it appears to me that you set your standards too high which in turn clouds your judgment.

Also, Danielson never dropped Nigel on his head in that match so please get off your soap box on that issue unless you're gonna give specific examples. By the way, back suplexs don't count as head drops, sorry.

Danielson - 8
Nigel - 4

**peep4life** · 07-06-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by -Mystery-

Nigel has had 4 great matches this year (against Aries, Danielson, Strong, and Black). While Danielson has MOTYCs against Quack, Marufuji (2), Bones, Hero, Aries, Nigel, Black (haven't seen the second but heard it's a possible MOTYC), and Glazer raves his tag match from the next PPV is a MOTYC. So yeah, he blows Nigel and everyone else out of the water.

I think you can add Nigel/Hero from Breakout ****,and Nigel/Steen from Injustice **** to the list. I understand that Nigel has had less MOTYC, but I think as a whole with the context of his character and carrying a company that you can argue that Nigel is WOTY, though it is hard to argue with Dragon.

**-Mystery-** · 07-06-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by peep4life

I think you can add Nigel/Hero from Breakout ****,and Nigel/Steen from Injustice **** to the list. I understand that Nigel has had less MOTYC, but I think as a whole with the context of his character and carrying a company that you can argue that Nigel is WOTY, though it is hard to argue with Dragon.

I haven't seen the Steen match so I can't comment but I have the Hero match close to 4 (***3/4).

I like Nigel's heel character but I was so blown away by Danielson as a heel over in WXW. He was getting the kind of heat where I feared for his life.

Caponex75 · 07-06-2008, 01:40 PM

Back Suplex is still dropping him on his head. Given that it isn't a full rotation like the Backdrop driver, but Danielson did use the Chaos Theory, still ended up with Nigel's head slapping against the mat. I don't remember much but I think he even hit him with a Tiger Suplex.

If we are counting just 4 star matches then Strong is God. Matches against Nigel, Stevens(3 matches including one I gave 5 stars), Necro & Stevens, Romero(PWG match), NRC 6-Man tags(2 matches), Aries(Undeniable), Supposedly MOTYC against Hero at BOS, and haven't seen it but I'm just going to go ahead an say Steenrico/Strong & Evans but not counting any of the other matches from DDT4(Although I'm betting the Los Luchas match was great). That's 11 matches in total I think. Shit....makes me wonder why we aren't talking about Strong more often. Still don't think any of those Danielson matches are any better than the Nigel matches he has had.

BTW I really think Steen is just a tag team guy.....not a singles one. His matches against Davey, Strong, and Nigel were 3 stars imo

vivalabrave · 07-06-2008, 01:40 PM

Nigel is WOTY to me so far because I have enjoyed the year he's had more than anyone else. Granted I'm a little behind on ROH , but for me it's not always about the STAR RATINGZ~! even though I think Nigel has been excellent workrate-wise. I mean I thought Cena was WOTY last year and I bet Danielson had more **** matches then him too (Even though Dragon missed half the year. Guy's insane).

EDIT: ^^ Also, Strong is awesome.

**Benjo™** · 07-06-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by -Mystery-

Nigel has had 4 great matches this year (against Aries, Danielson, Strong, and Black). While Danielson has MOTYCs against Quack, Marufuji (2), Bones, Hero, Aries, Nigel, Black (haven't seen the second but heard it's a possible MOTYC), and Glazer raves his tag match from the next PPV is a MOTYC. So yeah, he blows Nigel and everyone else out of the water.

There is also Danielson's tag match at European Navigation which is easily ****+ imo.

At the moment Aries is still my WOTY even though Danielson, Black, Jacobs and McGuiness are incredibly close.

**watts63** · 07-06-2008, 01:43 PM

I have been missing out. Downloading Hero/Danielson right now.

**-Mystery-** · 07-06-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Caponex75

Back Suplex is still dropping him on his head. Given that it isn't a full rotation like the Backdrop driver, but Danielson did use the Chaos Theory, still ended up with Nigel's head slapping against the mat. I don't remember much but I think he even hit him with a Tiger Suplex.

If we are counting just 4 star matches then Strong is God. Matches against Nigel, Stevens(3 matches including one I gave 5 stars), Necro & Stevens, Romero(PWG match), NRC 6-Man tags(2 matches), Aries(Undeniable), Supposedly MOTYC against Hero at BOS, and haven't seen it but I'm just going to go ahead an say Steenrico/Strong & Evans but not counting any of the other matches from DDT4(Although I'm betting the Los Luchas match was great). That's 11 matches in total I think. Shit....makes me wonder why we aren't talking about Strong more often. Still don't think any of those Danielson matches are any better than the Nigel matches he has had.

BTW I really think Steen is just a tag team guy.....not a singles one. His matches against Davey, Strong, and Nigel were 3 stars imo

Back suplex is dropping a guy on his back/shoulders. If Nigel landed on his head, that's his fault for bumping wrong.

I'll give you the Nigel and Stevens but I generally I don't rank tag matches too high on a guys resume because there are normally 3 or more guys in the match. What is most important to me when it comes to deciding WOTY is what a candidate does in singles competition which is most important imo.

**peep4life** · 07-06-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by -Mystery-

I haven't seen the Steen match so I can't comment but I have the Hero match close to 4 (***3/4).

I like Nigel's heel character but I was so blown away by Danielson as a heel over in WXW. He was getting the kind of heat where I feared for his life.

I have the WXW shows coming in the mail so maybe this will change my opinion.
As for Strong, I guess we all just take him for granted because he is just so consistently awesome, maybe the lack of character hurts him a little, but his workrate is incredible.