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Old 02-26-2008, 01:47 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Maybe it is just that, person preference.

Do you like his finishing stretches with all finisher reversals?
I thoroughly enjoy Angle matches for usually 95% of the match. Then he starts with the ankle locks over and over. If he switched his finishing routine up from Olympic Slam > Ankle Lock > Missed Moonsault > Ankle Lock > Ankle lock (with grapevine) to something else once in a while I would enjoy his matches more. I still think he puts on really great matches though. His mat work is amazing.
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Old 02-26-2008, 01:58 PM   #132 (permalink)
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I thoroughly enjoy Angle matches for usually 95% of the match. Then he starts with the ankle locks over and over. If he switched his finishing routine up from Olympic Slam > Ankle Lock > Missed Moonsault > Ankle Lock > Ankle lock (with grapevine) to something else once in a while I would enjoy his matches more. I still think he puts on really great matches though. His mat work is amazing.
The same goes for HBK, who uses the same finishing sequence in all of his matches, but the matches are still great. As long as the match as a whole is good, its all that matters. It makes it exciting, because you know the finish is coming, just like you know an Angle match isn't over until he pulls his straps down.
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The same goes for HBK, who uses the same finishing sequence in all of his matches, but the matches are still great. As long as the match as a whole is good, its all that matters. It makes it exciting, because you know the finish is coming, just like you know an Angle match isn't over until he pulls his straps down.
I tend to think that Michaels is overrated aswell. But he puts so much more thought into his matches than Angle, and does the little things much better to draw you in and get you involved in it.
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Maybe it is just that, personal preference.

Do you like his finishing stretches with all finisher reversals?
Well, it depends on a match by match basis.

I thought the counter/reversals in the Angle/Cage at AAO were very well done and I had know idea how that match would finish.

Without the run in ending, I could have seen myself giving that match atleast ****1/2 and maybe even higher.

In the Nagata match, it was done a little bit to overkill but I still really enjoyed the match.

I could see how it bothers some people, I guess it just doesn't bother me as much.

Alot of people had that problem with the Angle/HBK matches(besides the WM one) with the reversals and counter and how they were done, etc.
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:42 PM   #135 (permalink)
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The finishing sequence in HBK matches don't bother me in that the sequence tends to build logically to Sweet Chin Music. For Kurt, a match of back work tends to end in an Ankle Lock with the backwork meaning nothing, which cheapens everything before it.
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Kurt Angle being Kurt Angle cheapens anything...
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Old 02-26-2008, 05:21 PM   #137 (permalink)
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The finishing sequence in HBK matches don't bother me in that the sequence tends to build logically to Sweet Chin Music. For Kurt, a match of back work tends to end in an Ankle Lock with the backwork meaning nothing, which cheapens everything before it.
So your saying because a sequence of moves/maneuvers lead to another particular move(The Ankle Lock in this case), that it makes the rest of the sequence before it less meaningful?

But, a sequence of moves that leads to another particular move(Sweet Chin Music in this other case), makes that sequence more meaningful?

I don't see how that's true, unless you just think Sweet Chin Music is a "cooler" move or something like that.

What's so illogical about a guy(Kurt Angle) using his finishing maneuver after a sequence like that?

I spose you could say it's too predictable, but alot of guys do the same thing thruout the wrestling industry.

I think it has to be judged on a match by match basis, but that's just my opinion.
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So your saying because a sequence of moves/maneuvers lead to another particular move(The Ankle Lock in this case), that it makes the rest of the sequence before it less meaningful?

But, a sequence of moves that leads to another particular move(Sweet Chin Music in this other case), makes that sequence more meaningful?

I don't see how that's true, unless you just think Sweet Chin Music is a "cooler" move or something like that.

What's so illogical about a guy(Kurt Angle) using his finishing maneuver after a sequence like that?

I spose you could say it's too predictable, but alot of guys do the same thing thruout the wrestling industry.

I think it has to be judged on a match by match basis, but that's just my opinion.
You really missed the point. It's because Angle spends the match working the back to finish with a leg move.

HBK is both far more likely to finish with something else, like a roll up or whatever, and more likely to work moves that would soften someone up for a knockout blow like Sweet Chin Music.
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So your saying because a sequence of moves/maneuvers lead to another particular move(The Ankle Lock in this case), that it makes the rest of the sequence before it less meaningful?

But, a sequence of moves that leads to another particular move(Sweet Chin Music in this other case), makes that sequence more meaningful?

I don't see how that's true, unless you just think Sweet Chin Music is a "cooler" move or something like that.

What's so illogical about a guy(Kurt Angle) using his finishing maneuver after a sequence like that?

I spose you could say it's too predictable, but alot of guys do the same thing thruout the wrestling industry.

I think it has to be judged on a match by match basis, but that's just my opinion.
What I think he is saying is that the main body of Angle matches doesn't build to the finish at all. He does a load of suplexes, but no leg work whatsoever to build to his finish which is an ankle lock. Which makes the main body of the match pretty meaningless in regards to the finish.

Edit - The man himself beat me to it.
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You really missed the point. It's because Angle spends the match working the back to finish with a leg move.

HBK is both far more likely to finish with something else, like a roll up or whatever, and more likely to work moves that would soften someone up for a knockout blow like Sweet Chin Music.
Oh my mistake bro, when you said "back work" I thought you meant like the work before the finish and not the actual back like the body part.

I see what you mean there, but there are times when he does work the leg before the Ankle Lock alot.

His match with Abyss is a great example, really good psychology in that match and he works Abyss's leg the whole match before finally getting the Ankle Lock and forcing him to tap.
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