[Ownage™]

Originally Posted by RKO Destiny™

Yeah it was a ladder match, it was fun. I doubt the bookers even go into the reasonings behind what happened in the match as deep as that.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the match and I was marking out for the spots like the next guy but I can't give a match with those flaws ****1/2. Maybe I'll change my mind when I watch it again.

[-Mystery-]

Originally Posted by Ownage™

-Mystery- I need to watch the match again but I remember thinking some of the stuff they did didn't make sense. For example, the time when Edge clocked Taker with two sick chair shots on the outside. Taker was down and out, not even inside the ring, and even Mick Foley said it, Edge could've easily went into the ring, climbed the ladder and won the match. But what did he do? He set Taker up on a table on the outside and splashed him through it. Yes, he hurt Taker more but he took damage himself and wasted a chance to win the match.

You defended the part where Edge stacks the second table onto the first and then begins to climb but your logic there was stupid imo. He put back up the table because he wasn't sure if Taker was down for good? He should have been focussed solely on winning the match and as it turned out in the end he couldn't possibly tell that stacking another table would be to his benefit. They weren't trying to go for that logic either. Either Taker, Hawkins or Ryder made a mistake in moving the table in the first place or that spot was just poorly booked because we all know that the only reason Edge put the table on top of the other one was to take the Last Ride.

There was also another time when Edge dished out punishment, started to climb the ladder and when Taker tried to prevent him from winning Edge speared him. Surely previous punishment + finisher = an attempt to climb the ladder, but not in this match. I can't remember exactly what happened but Edge tried to do something and the sequence ended with him getting Chokeslammed onto the ladder.

I need to watch the match again to settle on a rating but right now I wouldn't go higher than ****.

I will give you credit for your first example. It's something that didn't come to my attention until you mentioned.

I disagree on you second point though. Edge stacked the second table in anticipation for Taker possibly getting up and chasing him up the ladder. He wanted to be a step ahead of Taker so to speak. So, if Taker was to get back into the ring and try to thwart Edge's attempt, Edge would try to put Taker out for good by sending him through two tables. See I think Edge was focused on winning the match but in a different way. We all know his sole purpose is to climb the ladder and grab the title but Edge has been built as this cunning and always thinking on his feet champion/challenger. So, while Edge's main objective was to climb the ladder and grab the title, he was putting himself one step ahead of Taker for that just in case because after all, he is the Undertaker and it's not easy to put him down. However, I do agree that they probably weren't going for that logic but sometimes weird things happen and they just work. This whole scenario worked for me and did make sense IMO.

I don't completely remember the finally point you made. I remember Edge spearing Taker but I can't remember what he did after that. It's something I'd have to go back in check. All in all, while you did raise a good point about Edge not climbing the ladder after striking Taker twice with a chair, I still have to disagree with you on the stacking table scene. With that said, even though you raise a good point about how Edge should've climbed the ladder I'm not so sure if it warrants a ratings drop. It was a small lapse in psychology and really didn't ruin the flow of the match IMO.

Good points though.

[Ownage™]

Originally Posted by -Mystery-

I will give you credit for your first example. It's something that didn't come to my attention until you mentioned.

I disagree on you second point though. Edge stacked the second table in anticipation for Taker possibly getting up and chasing him up the ladder. He wanted to be a step ahead of Taker so to speak. So, if Taker was to get back into the ring and try to thwart Edge's attempt, Edge would try to put Taker out for good by sending him through two tables. See I think Edge was focused on winning the match but in a different way. We all know his sole purpose is to climb the ladder and grab the title but Edge has been built as this cunning and always thinking on his feet champion/challenger. So, while Edge's main objective was to climb the ladder and grab the title, he was putting himself one step ahead of Taker for that just in case because after all, he is the Undertaker and it's not easy to put him down. However, I do agree that they probably weren't going for that logic but sometimes weird things happen and they just work. This whole scenario worked for me and did make sense IMO.

I don't completely remember the finally point you made. I remember Edge spearing Taker but I can't remember what he did after that. It's something I'd have to go back in check. All in all, while you did raise a good point about Edge not climbing the ladder after striking Taker twice with a chair, I still have to disagree with you on the stacking table scene. With that said, even though you raise a good point about how Edge should've climbed the ladder I'm not so sure if it warrants a ratings drop. It was a small lapse in psychology and really didn't ruin the flow of the match IMO.

Good points though.

Now ya see, I would agree about the 2nd point if Edge had been looking around while climbing the ladder to see if Taker was coming back into the ring, but he wasn't. He set up the table, began climbing and Taker was able to set him up for the Last Ride without Edge seeing it coming. That disproves your reasoning imo.

For the 3rd point, I don't remember exactly what happened either I just know that Edge was in control, he tried to climb the later, Taker pulled him off the ladder, Edge hit a Spear and then didn't try to climb the ladder. This didn't make sense to me because Edge attempted to climb the ladder a few moments earlier but then didn't try to after hitting his finisher.

[SuperBrawl]

****1/4 for the TLC imv.

[sirdilznik]

I finally got to see Steenerico vs. Speed Muscle from Dragon Gate Challenge II - OK so I'm super-biased here because Speed Muscle is easily my favorite tag team in the world and Steenerico are easily in my top 5 favorite tag teams in the world. On top of that I totally cream my pants over sprints. Going into this I totally had the mindset that there is no possible way that this match winds up being anything less than spectacular and sure enough it did not disappoint. Absolutely awesome action all over the place at light speed. Everybody got to be downright awesome. The crowd was going crazy. I was going crazy. To top it all of Steen cut a sweet promo after the match. Easily my second favorite match of the year so far. Final grade - ****3/4

[Maxx Hero]

I will be the first to suggest Shelton Benjamin vs. Matt Sydal as CHIRS IS AWESOME. Matt looked good, Shelton looked...bored. I loved Kofi's line 'Who is this mahn?'. Tazz even plugged Matt's expiriences in Japan. Abviously not really a *****, but the piece of WWE television that I have enjoyed most this year. I have not smiled watching WWE since when CM Punk first debuted, but I did for Sydal. This and Ric retiring as best out of WWE this year. I loved the two guys in the front row trying to start a Matt Sydal chant. Also, I was pissed they mispronounced Sydal when ring announcing.

Does anyone have a gif of Shelton powerbombing Sydal over the announce table onto Kofi? That was the most spontanious thing I have seen in WWE lately.

Holy shit, good idea! Team up Olsen with a new gimmick with Sydal and have them fued with Miz and Morrison.

[TheSoulTaker]

TLC match @ ONS

Taker vs edge- world title

****1/4- ****1/2

[PulseGlazer]

Originally Posted by sirdilznik

I finally got to see Steenerico vs. Speed Muscle from Dragon Gate Challenge II - OK so I'm super-biased here because Speed Muscle is easily my favorite tag team in the world and Steenerico are easily in my top 5 favorite tag teams in the world. On top of that I totally cream my pants over sprints. Going into this I totally had the mindset that there is no possible way that this match winds up being anything less than spectacular and sure enough it did not disappoint. Absolutely awesome action all over the place at light speed. Everybody got to be downright awesome. The crowd was going crazy. I was going crazy. To top it all of Steen cut a sweet promo after the match. Easily my second favorite match of the year so far. Final grade - ****3/4

Just saw this one. Have it at about **** 1/4-****1/2. Generico being utterly unable to keep up with the DG guys most of the time was awesome, but when he got his spots in, usually off a big Steen move or from behind, they were awesome. Steen deciding to just bull over the DG guys was fantastic especially in that it built so well to the SCOH3 match where that failed. They went a bit overkill happy for me at the end to rate this quite as highly as some, but still a great, great match.

[GP_Punk]

Originally Posted by Maxx Hero

I will be the first to suggest Shelton Benjamin vs. Matt Sydal as CHIRS IS AWESOME. Matt looked good, Shelton looked...bored. I loved Kofi's line 'Who is this mahn?'. Tazz even plugged Matt's expiriences in Japan. Abviously not really a *****, but the piece of WWE television that I have enjoyed most this year. I have not smiled watching WWE since when CM Punk first debuted, but I did for Sydal. This and Ric retiring as best out of WWE this year. I loved the two guys in the front row trying to start a Matt Sydal chant. Also, I was pissed they mispronounced Sydal when ring announcing.

Does anyone have a gif of Shelton powerbombing Sydal over the announce table onto Kofi? That was the most spontanious thing I have seen in WWE lately.

Holy shit, good idea! Team up Olsen with a new gimmick with Sydal and have them fued with Miz and Morrison.

I was reading an ECW report this monring and i kinda marked out for this

[Caponex75]

I was wondering what are your guys matches that you just plain consider the best of the year? I mean I already have Stevens/Strong at ***** and that is my singles MOTYC for the moment. My tag one is Davey Richards & Super Dragon vs. Steenrico II although I have a problem figuring out the fucking story to the match. So what are your just straight MOTY match thus far in single and tag?