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**Homicide_187** · 01-26-2007, 05:47 PM

Nice I might check out this Kingston shoot DVD I've been checking up on him ever since I heard his CZW Xtra were he was talking about Generation Next.

**-Mystery-** · 01-26-2007, 05:53 PM

I'd hate to "spoil" why Kingston hates Hero but I feel it's something everyone should know and it definately made me think differently about Hero.

The story goes like this, Kingston was supposed to bring his partner Blackjack into CZW. The plan was for Kingston to leave Black Out and team up with Blackjack to feud with Black Out. However, Hero used the political influence he gained to get Blackjack teamed up with himself. From then on Hero pretty much abused Blackjack inside and outside the ring to the point where Blackjack actually quit the business because of Hero's antics. Now, Kingston took great offense to this because Blackjack was a childhood friend of Kingston's and broke into the business with Blackjack. Also, Kingston touched upon the fact that he believes Hero has pulled strings within ROH hence why Kingston isn't wrestling there.

**Spartanlax** · 01-26-2007, 05:56 PM

Really? Hmm, they never touched upon it in the DOI shoot (which kinda irritated me), but Kingston said that Blackjack quit the business because he messed up his back or knee real bad, forget which, and because several people kept using him for rides and stuff since he'd never say no and he was tired of being used. Did he mention any of this or did he place the blame soley on Hero?

**Role Model** · 01-26-2007, 05:58 PM

Hero has always looked like a nasty guy to be honest, something about him I just don't like.

**-Mystery-** · 01-26-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartanlax

Really? Hmm, they never touched upon it in the DOI shoot (which kinda irritated me), but Kingston said that Blackjack quit the business because he messed up his back or knee real bad, forget which, and because several people kept using him for rides and stuff since he'd never say no and he was tired of being used. Did he mention any of this or did he place the blame soley on Hero?

He talked about that Blackjack did indeed ride a lot of people around. He also talked about that since he never refused another wrestler was the main reason Hero took advantage of him. Now, maybe he did have a messed up knee but I sorta believe Kingston when he says Hero took advantage of Blackjack. Now, maybe he didn't quit solely because of Hero but I think Hero played a important role.

**-Mystery-** · 01-26-2007, 07:46 PM

Sorry for the double post but I need some rare help in choosing a ROH DVD. Right now I plan on getting the following...

-Death Before Dishonor II Part 1
-Midnight Express Reunion
-All Star Extravaganza II

Now, I need help choosing one of the following...

-Night of the Butcher
-Final Battle 2002
-Night of the Grudges

**.EMO** · 01-26-2007, 07:50 PM

Mystery I would say the origanl Night of Grudges. The AJ London match I have at ****1/4 and the tag match is fun

**-Mystery-** · 01-26-2007, 09:07 PM

ROH Irresistible Forces
1. Adam Pearce & Shane Hagadorn vs. Irish Airborne - *1/2
2. Roderick Strong vs. Shingo - ***1/4
3. Colt Cabana & Jimmy Jacobs vs. Jimmy Rave & Sal Rinuaro - **1/2
4. Steve Corino vs. Delirious - **3/4
5. Christopher Daniels vs. Austin Aries - ***1/2 - ***3/4
6. Brent Albright vs. Trik Davis - **
7. Matt Sydal vs. Jay Briscoe - ***1/2 - ***3/4
8. Davey Richards vs. Mark Briscoe - ***1/4
9. Bryan Danielson vs. Samoa Joe (No DQ, Must Be A Winner, Non Title Match) - ***3/4 - ****

Overall show rating - ***1/2

**watts63** · 01-26-2007, 11:10 PM

I would go with Final Battle 2002. Corino vs. Danielson vs. Joe vs. Ki is a dream match in my opinion. Cabana/Punk matches are always good.

Thats_howIroll · 01-27-2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dman88

Night 2 is a lot better than Night 1.

Night 1 Stand Outs
4. Christopher Daniels vs. Davey Richards vs. BJ Whitmer vs. Matt Cross (Four Corner Survival Match)
8. Austin Aries & Roderick Strong vs. Matt Sydal & Shingo (Dragon Gate Rules)

Night 2 Stand Outs

5. Austin Aries & Roderick Strong vs. Christopher Daniels & Matt Cross
6. Adam Pearce vs. Homicide (Steel Cage Match)
7. Davey Richards vs. Jay Briscoe
8. Bryan Danielson, Jimmy Rave, Shingo, & Jimmy Jacobs vs. Delirious, Colt Cabana, Nigel McGuinness, & BJ Whitmer (Eight Man Elimination Tag Team Match

These were all great matches with Richards vs Jay being the best. Just an awesome match.

I'd say that night 2 is must own but night 1 was still a good show.

Are any of the standouts on night 1 better than night 2?