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post #5511 of 16091 (permalink) Old 01-21-2007, 01:17 PM
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That's the order you should make, and it's a damn fine order.

If he's supposed to be reviewing a match and is actually working for a semi-well known site that does reviews, don't you think he should pay a bit more attention? It's not like it's hard to miss: the arm was worked over, and it led to submissions, anyone with two eyes could tell you that. As for saying the comment is out of line, first off I never ment it to be an insult to the person, just his review was way of, actually I made that quite clear in my original post. But, yes, if I was insulting him, you'd be very well entitled to saying I'm out of line.

His review was wrong. There's no opinion involved with that, his literal comments about the arm work leading nowhere was flat out wrong. Now, as for the rating, there ARE such thing as facts involved with rating matches. Sure it's mostly opinion, but it's an opinion to a point. Wrestling needs: selling, heat, story, psychology, etc to be good. I know some of those are very similar, but whatever. If someone called Khali/Funaki *****, they'd be wrong. I don't care who it is, they're wrong. Some people may not agree with that, but whatever. That's why I give an 'arguable rating' in my reviews, for example, Joe/Danielson from FOTC I gave an arguable rating of ****-*****, because that's what it deserved, no lower and no higher, because it had the makings of a great match. If someone had given it a higher/lower grade, I'd think they're crazy, and they either know a HELLUVA lot more than me about wrestling, or a HELLUVA lot less. I mean, I found McGuinness/Danielson boring from Generation Now, most likely never watching it again except for those sick headbutts, but I rated it **** (might lower to ***3/4 if I ever watch it again), because it deserved it. I disliked the match, but rated it highly, because the workrate and everything were there, and no one can deny that.

Yes, they have been used against you. Hell, they've happened right in this very wrestling section. If I had the time/patience, I could go look through and show you the list of insults used against you for giving poor, poor, poooooor ratings to amazing matches, and then using even poorer reasons for giving those ratings. And, once again, I never insulted him as a person, only insulted his ability to review.

I never insulted the dude, I insulted his ability to review a match. "He needs to have his head examined", because apparently reviewing a match, not just the rating, but actually saying what happened, is a struggle for him, and he was factually wrong in his comments of 'the arm work went nowhere'. Just because I didn't write out 'he needs to have his head examined, and I mean this about his ability to review' doesn't mean I was insulting him, I don't even know the guy, so who am I to insult him? I've seen you do the same exact thing to the guys at 411 with your comments, and even though I agree with you about those comments, you're a bit hypocritical to start saying I insult reviewers, aren't you?
Yeah, I'm not gonna argue, you beat me again.

BUT 2 things:

1. I've never been personally insulted for my "poor" match ratings. Maybe my review ability has been insulted, but I personally have not.

2. on Nigel/Dragon from Generation Now, I thought the match wasn't very good, as the mat work didn't lead too much, all Nigel's armwork had a fairly poor payoff, and it felt most things outside the headbutts and lariats were filler.


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1. I've never been personally insulted for my "poor" match ratings. Maybe my review ability has been insulted, but I personally have not.
Go back and look when you posted your thoughts on Stong/Danielson II and Joe/Danielson IV, you obviously missed a lot of posts or have decided to block the comments from memory.
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2. on Nigel/Dragon from Generation Now, I thought the match wasn't very good, as the mat work didn't lead too much, all Nigel's armwork had a fairly poor payoff, and it felt most things outside the headbutts and lariats were filler.
...and? Yeah, you're right for the most part, not really sure where you were going with that unless you were trying to say why it wasn't a **** match, but whatever. Personally I'd lower it more upon more viewings, but I just don't have the patience to sit through the match again as it didn't entertain me, but they still did put on a solid match and it wasn't really 'filler' as you called it.

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Hey Spartanlax, I was just wondering if you were ever going to review the DVD's you got. Like COD 8 and whatever else you got.
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Hey Spartanlax, I was just wondering if you were ever going to review the DVD's you got. Like COD 8 and whatever else you got.
Yeah, I'm about halfway done with the COD8 review, just got swamped with SOOO much shit I haven't had time. Honestly, 2 weeks ago I had too much time, and these days I got zero. In fact, I'm heading out right now to look at houses 1.5 hours away...fun

If we're all lucky, the review'll be up later tonight, but right now I'll say COD8 is a must buy for any CZW fan, or for anyone that just wants a damn fun/entertaining wrestling show to watch.

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Ok thanks. Theres no hurry. I'm looking forward to reading it.
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IWA-MS 2006 Revolution Strong Style Tournament
1. Josh Abercrombie vs. Jack Thriller - **3/4
2. CJ Otis vs. Drake Younger - ***1/2
3. Necro Butcher vs. Dysfunction - **1/4
4. Eddie Kingston vs. Tarek The Great - *3/4
5. Brandon Thomaselli vs. Corporal Robinson - **1/2
6. Iron Saints vs. Mickie Knuckles & Ian Rotten - ***1/4
7. Drake Younger vs. Necro Butcher - ***
8. Eddie Kingston vs. Corporal Robinson - **1/2
9. Chuck Taylor vs. Jay Lethal - ***3/4
10. Eddie Kingston vs. Drake Younger - ***1/2

Overall show rating - ***1/2

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Go back and look when you posted your thoughts on Stong/Danielson II and Joe/Danielson IV, you obviously missed a lot of posts or have decided to block the comments from memory.

...and? Yeah, you're right for the most part, not really sure where you were going with that unless you were trying to say why it wasn't a **** match, but whatever. Personally I'd lower it more upon more viewings, but I just don't have the patience to sit through the match again as it didn't entertain me, but they still did put on a solid match and it wasn't really 'filler' as you called it.
1. I probably didn't read those comments.

2. I was just trying to get some wrestling discussion going instead of arguing.

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I just got finished watching AITUK, and thought I'd give some quick star ratings for anyone who's interested. I absolutely loved this show and I'd highly recommend it to everyone.

Anarchy In The UK

BJ Whitmer vs. Go Shiozaki - ***3/4
Jody Fleisch vs. Jonny Storm vs. Spud - ***
Colt Cabana, Nigel McGuinness & Robbie Brookside vs. Chris Hero, Claudio Castagnoli & Chad Collyer - **3/4
Bryan Danielson vs. SUWA - ***3/4
Doug Williams vs. Jimmy Rave - ***1/2
The Briscoes vs. Matt Sydal & Davey Richards - ****1/2
Bryan Danielson vs. Roderick Strong - ****
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I just watched Matt Sydal vs KENTA from The Bitter End and damn it was really great. Sydal really does play the babyface with sympathy role excellently, his facial expressions and selling after some of KENTA's kicks were just brilliant. He got so much sympathy that at some points there were "let's go Matt" chants without the obligatory "let's go KENTA" following. Matt took one of hell of a beating and his little comeback spots were timed to perfection, the best of these spots was the hurricanrana to reverse the Go To Sleep, I knew the result of the match before hand and I still thought that he had grabbed the win with this, needless to say the crowd really popped for it too. The match was ended at the right time as well, there was no overkill with the kickouts at 2. I was never that big a fan of Matt Sydal before this match but he was really outstanding here. This was a match of the year candidate and I would give it ****1/2.

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