[ROH]

The Liger shoot is okay, but the pace is really slow because he needs a translator. Not that I expected him to speak perfect English, it just slows it down.

I'll pick up Dethroned and just download the Black Friday Fallout main event.

[Spartanlax]

The fact that whoever it was rated Rave/McGuinness less than *** automatically makes me wish they get their head examined, along with the ratings for the first three matches being off as well...not so much Generico/Albright maybe, but definiely Dempsey/Hagadorn and Delirious/Blade, those two should be lower (they weren't meant to be classics anyway).

Although, I do agree Dethroned is a must own.

[ROH]

^ No offence Spart but I've grown to hate when people get insulted on their match opinion. Okay, "getting your head examined" isn't as bad as other insults I've read, but still it's quite annoying.

[Spartanlax]

Originally Posted by R_O_H

^ No offence Spart but I've grown to hate when people get insulted on their match opinion. Okay, "getting your head examined" isn't as bad as other insults I've read, but still it's quite annoying.

First off, you haven't seen the match, so you can't really say whether my comments are warranted or not. Having a different opinion is one thing, being wrong is another. That reviewer is wrong, not just with the rating, but with his comments about the arm work and such: it did lead somewhere, it lead to arm submissions and an attempt at a submission victory, durr. Also, the only reason you've grown to hate that is because you receive the hate yourself, am I right? And I say it's deserved, you blatantly let your like/dislike for wrestlers change your ratings, among other things.

[Platt]

Just picked up the following IWA:MS shows on ebay cos they were going cheap can anyone give me an overall show rating see if i got some good shows or not

Big Ass Xmas Bash
Necro VS Joe 2
Christmas Carnage 2005
Strong Style Tournament '05

[ROH]

Originally Posted by Spartanlax

First off, you haven't seen the match, so you can't really say whether my comments are warranted or not. Having a different opinion is one thing, being wrong is another. That reviewer is wrong, not just with the rating, but with his comments about the arm work and such: it did lead somewhere, it lead to arm submissions and an attempt at a submission victory, durr. Also, the only reason you've grown to hate that is because you receive the hate yourself, am I right? And I say it's deserved, you blatantly let your like/dislike for wrestlers change your ratings, among other things.

How did I know I was gonna get owned there? You are the best arguer ever Spart. (no sarcasm, I'm being serious)

Anyway...

Sure I haven't seen the match, but that doesn't stop me from saying the "you need to get your head checked out" comment is out of line. Maybe he just didn't see/pay attention to/notice the armwork leading to somewhere.

It seems you think differenet, but to me a rating is never right or wrong, as it's opinion. There is no "right" rating for a match, as the rating is opinon, not fact.

Now, let me distinctly say I do not hate those comments because they're used against me. I've never had them used against me, or at least not a personal insult. There's a difference between "your review sucks" and saying "you suck". Anyway, I've never had any of those kind of comments used on me. But I have read them elsewhere, and it annoys me that fellow reviewers are being disrespected. People take time to review things, and help people on their decision on buying the show - they shouldn't be personally insulted for that.

Criticizing my reviews is fine, but there really was no need for that here, as all I did was complain about you insulting some dude for his rating, without anything to do with my reviews.



EDIT: If Gabe broke Kayfabe and all at Main Event Spectacles and told Teddy hart never to work for ROH again, how come Teddy was book at 2004's "At Our Best"?

[-Mystery-]

Originally Posted by Platt

Just picked up the following IWA:MS shows on ebay cos they were going cheap can anyone give me an overall show rating see if i got some good shows or not

Big Ass Xmas Bash
Necro VS Joe 2
Christmas Carnage 2005
Strong Style Tournament '05

Necro/Joe II was a great show and so was the Strong Style Tournament '05. Big Ass Xmas Bash and Christmas Carnage were solid shows.

[ROH]

Random ROH:

Fate of an Angel:

AJ Styles vs Roderick Strong - ****
James Gibsn vs CM Punk - ***3/4

[StraightEdge]

Making My Second ROH DVD Order. I Got Glory By Honor Night 2 Last Time and This Time Im Thinking of Getting

-Manhatten Mayhem
-Unified
-Supercard of Honor
-4th Anniversary Show.
I'm Thinking MAYBE A 5th DVD of Better Than Our Best But I Might Do That Next DVD Order

Anyone Disagree With My Order, Think I Should Change Something? Or Is It Good?

[Spartanlax]

Manhattan Mayhem
Unified
Better Than Our Best
4th Anniversary Show

That's the order you should make, and it's a damn fine order.

Sure I haven't seen the match, but that doesn't stop me from saying the "you need to get your head checked out" comment is out of line. Maybe he just didn't see/pay attention to/notice the armwork leading to somewhere.

If he's supposed to be reviewing a match and is actually working for a semi-well known site that does reviews, don't you think he should pay a bit more attention? It's not like it's hard to miss: the arm was worked over, and it led to submissions, anyone with two eyes could tell you that. As for saying the comment is out of line, first off I never ment it to be an insult to the person, just his review was way of, actually I made that quite clear in my original post. But, yes, if I was insulting him, you'd be very well entitled to saying I'm out of line.

It seems you think differenet, but to me a rating is never right or wrong, as it's opinion. There is no "right" rating for a match, as the rating is opinon, not fact.

His review was wrong. There's no opinion involved with that, his literal comments about the arm work leading nowhere was flat out wrong. Now, as for the rating, there ARE such thing as facts involved with rating matches. Sure it's mostly opinion, but it's an opinion to a point. Wrestling needs: selling, heat, story, psychology, etc to be good. I know some of those are very similar, but whatever. If someone called Khali/Funaki *****, they'd be wrong. I don't care who it is, they're wrong. Some people may not agree with that, but whatever. That's why I give an 'arguable rating' in my reviews, for example, Joe/Danielson from FOTC I gave an arguable rating of ****-*****, because that's what it deserved, no lower and no higher, because it had the makings of a great match. If someone had given it a higher/lower grade, I'd think they're crazy, and they either know a HELLUVA lot more than me about wrestling, or a HELLUVA lot less. I mean, I found McGuinness/Danielson boring from Generation Now, most likely never watching it again except for those sick headbutts, but I rated it **** (might lower to ***3/4 if I ever watch it again), because it deserved it. I disliked the match, but rated it highly, because the workrate and everything were there, and no one can deny that.

Now, let me distinctly say I do not hate those comments because they're used against me. I've never had them used against me, or at least not a personal insult. There's a difference between "your review sucks" and saying "you suck". Anyway, I've never had any of those kind of comments used on me. But I have read them elsewhere, and it annoys me that fellow reviewers are being disrespected. People take time to review things, and help people on their decision on buying the show - they shouldn't be personally insulted for that.

Yes, they have been used against you. Hell, they've happened right in this very wrestling section. If I had the time/patience, I could go look through and show you the list of insults used against you for giving poor, poor, poooooor ratings to amazing matches, and then using even poorer reasons for giving those ratings. And, once again, I never insulted him as a person, only insulted his ability to review.

Criticizing my reviews is fine, but there really was no need for that here, as all I did was complain about you insulting some dude for his rating, without anything to do with my reviews.

I never insulted the dude, I insulted his ability to review a match. "He needs to have his head examined", because apparently reviewing a match, not just the rating, but actually saying what happened, is a struggle for him, and he was factually wrong in his comments of 'the arm work went nowhere'. Just because I didn't write out 'he needs to have his head examined, and I mean this about his ability to review' doesn't mean I was insulting him, I don't even know the guy, so who am I to insult him? I've seen you do the same exact thing to the guys at 411 with your comments, and even though I agree with you about those comments, you're a bit hypocritical to start saying I insult reviewers, aren't you?