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Old 01-03-2007, 03:13 PM   #5071 (permalink)
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How am I not surprised R_O_H thought KENTA was in the best match of the night...
Sorry for not thinking Samoa Joe is God.
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Old 01-03-2007, 03:17 PM   #5072 (permalink)
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Sorry for not thinking Samoa Joe is God.
He's much better than KENTA. Joe is one of the best overall wrestlers on the planet. KENTA....not so much. Good wrestler but not a good total package.
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I gotta disagree with you on this one Spartan. I don't consider myself nit picky at all, and I think that comes out in my opinions, and I normally don't mind selling issues, but I hated it in this match. I still love the match ****1/4-1/2 no doubt, but it could have been so much better. I mean, not only did Dragon work the knee for longer than the average match goes, but for months that was built. They should have worked around it in the finish, like have Joe be unable to do his kicks. And the limping was certainly not on all, that was one spot. If Joe needed to be in control at the end, I don't see why he had to destroy Dragon with kicks on a knee that should have fallen off, when he could have used the Chimera combo or something. As for the unpredictable nature of the draw, it doesn't affect my opinion in any way, but when you heard both Dragon and Joe went under 15 minutes on TTMU, one of them in the main event, did you really have any doubt?
Well yes, some parts were no sold, can't deny that, and the nit picky comment wasn't for you by the way. Actually, I agree with you pretty much 100% as my comments were for others, but the last part got me. Just because they both went 15 minutes the night before doesn't mean anything, I mean, Danielson went 15 one night and 60 the next, but then went 60 one night and 60 the next, it really varied. I know that didn't affect your opinion of the match, just thought I'd point that out.
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Did he, or anyone else say that? No, but honestly, as I said, disliking Joe is one thing and shitting on his work is another.
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Old 01-03-2007, 05:50 PM   #5074 (permalink)
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He's much better than KENTA. Joe is one of the best overall wrestlers on the planet. KENTA....not so much. Good wrestler but not a good total package.
I'm not gonna argue, I'll just say whether he's better or not is opinionated.
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True, but Joe is better than KENTA. KENTA works alot better in Japan, and even then he isnt among the top workers in Japan, or even NOAH for that matter.

KENTA VS Richards from FOTC is my pick for overrated match of the year. On a first view i gave it around ***3/4, but have since dropped it to ***1/4. The match really exposed KENTA and Davey for what they are, extremely shallow workers. (Especially davey). Im not taking anything away from them, because they both have talent and massive potential. But this match was not above average.

Joe is not god, KENTA is really not god.

On a related note.... Minoru Suzuki IS GOD
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Upon rewatching I've come to give Joe/Dragon ***3/4. It's probably because I'm not a Joe fan at all, but I just wasn't entetanied throughout the match and got bored alot. I though Joe was sloppy on al his big offence (inc. botches) and yes, no sold his leg. Also it became pretty odvious they were going 60.
You just lost any credibility you had as a reviewer imo.

Just because your not a Joe fan doesnt make his matches any less good.

I HATE Jeff Hardy with a passion, but if he had a 5 star match, i would give that match 5 stars despite my hate for him.

You have to be unbiased. You cant rate Joe matches lower simply because you dont like Joe (and this goes for any worker).

Another thing, being "sloppy" towards the end of a 60 minute match is not a bad thing. I remember a match between Kojima & Tenzan that went real long, and towards the end.... to sell they were tired and out of it, they started blatently doing moves alot sloppier. That imo was a brilliant storytelling point, and a fantastic way to communicate the psychology to us.

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If he has to no-sell the knee in order to hit a move without injuring Danielson or any other worker, then give the man a break, because that's what happened. When he hit his running facewash, he limped the entire time, when he had a moment to rest he tried walking around and fell to a kneeling position in pain...yes, some spots had lack of selling in the match, but in a 60 minute match you have to expect that and understand it. It's not like he was jumping around doing cartwheels after hurting his knee. He nailed some kicks and knee strikes, and then moments later when Danielson was hurt, he collapsed again. Joe is a heavy guy with hard strikes, he's willing to take pain to dish it out tenfold, that's what his whole character/gimmick is pretty much about, a badass that'll kick you in the face as much as possible.
Nice post Spar, and to an extent you can expect and understand it, but let me quickly say, its little things like that that seperate 4 star matches from 4 1/2 star, and 4 1/2 star from 5 and so on. You get the point.

For a match to be truly great, selling is one of the if not the MOST important thing.

It is much much much more important than workrate. But then again, what isnt when rating matches?
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Another thing, being "sloppy" towards the end of a 60 minute match is not a bad thing. I remember a match between Kojima & Tenzan that went real long, and towards the end.... to sell they were tired and out of it, they started blatently doing moves alot sloppier. That imo was a brilliant storytelling point, and a fantastic way to communicate the psychology to us.
I remember Joe/Punk II getting a bit sloppy near the end but if you ask me sloppiness isn't a bad thing. It adds to the match and shows that both men are worn down and are trying anything to get the win. Despite the bit of sloppiness it didn't stop the match from being the best match I've seen inside the U.S. in the past 5 years or even longer.
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True, but Joe is better than KENTA. KENTA works alot better in Japan, and even then he isnt among the top workers in Japan, or even NOAH for that matter.

KENTA VS Richards from FOTC is my pick for overrated match of the year. On a first view i gave it around ***3/4, but have since dropped it to ***1/4. The match really exposed KENTA and Davey for what they are, extremely shallow workers. (Especially davey). Im not taking anything away from them, because they both have talent and massive potential. But this match was not above average.

Joe is not god, KENTA is really not god.

On a related note.... Minoru Suzuki IS GOD
Ouch, sad to hear about the Davey bashing

Well anyways, sorry to R_O_H, but i am not taking your Star Ratings seriously anymore, you seem to rate things way too low most of the time and this isn't the first time these guys have had a complaint, sure its opinion but every single time, geez I don't know anymore. Especially when i read your review on BOLA 06, every person that has it on here, gave most the of matches *** or higher but he just made the whole thing sound poor. I know its harsh what i just said but whenevery time you post Star ratings and everyone gets on your case, i just can't believe there right.
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Not to get too off topic but in my opinion Richards is pretty bland. Sure he's good but it's pretty much the same match all the time much like RVD.

For instance Davey usually does that arm bar with kicks to the chest move within the first 3-5 mins of every match I've seen of his and he does that spring board kick within the last 5 mins. I like Davey and all but he seems really predictable.
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I get what you're saying Honor, and I agree, guess you're just a little harsher and I'm just a little more lenient.

True about all the Davey statements, but I'd say in roughly two years he'll be a top indy talent, like Punk without the mic skills. I mean, hasn't he only been really wrestling for a year and a half? The kid has tons of potential, hits all his moves perfectly and his very athletic, and now all he has to do is tie those into a story instead of filling space by using a move from his arsenal.

Also guys, if you wanna make quick posts talking about a wrestler (like Honor did), I don't mind a small discussion since this doesn't really seem thread worthy, but if it's a long discussion with deep details and such, make a thread for it. No one's done anything like that yet, but just thought I'd throw that out there.
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