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Old 01-02-2007, 10:26 PM   #5061 (permalink)
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Old 01-02-2007, 11:13 PM   #5062 (permalink)
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Was I the only one who thought Joe no selling all the knee work really hurt the match?
I didn't notice that at all. I'll take another look when I get the chance.
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IDK, it seemed to me that within aminute or two after 20 minutes of knee work, he was doing ole kicks and high knees. Still an excellent match, ****1/2 maybe, but it could have been better.
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Joe not selling the knee hurt the match alot. Alot of people on here said, "He sold the knee well, and then it only stopped when they went to the big finishing sequence".

So in essence, people say its "fine" to stop selling a knee just so you can get all your spots in.

That cant happen.
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Upon rewatching I've come to give Joe/Dragon ***3/4. It's probably because I'm not a Joe fan at all, but I just wasn't entetanied throughout the match and got bored alot. I though Joe was sloppy on al his big offence (inc. botches) and yes, no sold his leg. Also it became pretty odvious they were going 60.

Davey/KENTA I though was match of the night. Here's what I put about it in my review:
(Note: I did this on first viewing the show, and Joe/Dragon, when I thought Joe/Dragon was slightly better than this)

Excellent match. Second best of the night. Davey gets a nice pop, so does KENTA. Davey gets absolutely 0 streamers, while KENTA gets about 20. That’s unfair. Alternate chants for both men. KENTA has more, about 60 - 40. They start with some mat stuff. Davey gets a kick out of an arm submission. They start with the kicks to the chest, but still do all the mat holds. This is great stuff, clean mat work infused with kicks. KENTA gains control, and puts Davey in numerous mat holds, e.g. head scissors. Davey gets to the ropes at each attempt. KENTA kicks Davey over the barricade, and some stupid fan chants “USA!” at him. Back in, they start again with the kicks, and Davey does dome chops. KENTA does his springboard in back heel kick. Davey hits 3 chops then a kick (all to the chest) for a 2 count. KENTA hits some kicks to Davey while he’s in the ropes, then does a knee drop to the back of Davey’s head. Davey hits a power slam then leg drop. He hits an overhead suplex throw, then a beautiful tope. He hits a springboard missile dropkick, then a nice german suplex. KENTA catches Davey with an ace crusher, then hits a kick combo followed up by a springboard missile dropkick. KENTA hits a kick and slap while Davey is tied up in the ropes. They have a mid ring kick exchange, and then Davey hits a saito suplex. KENTA gets a rana, but Davey responds with some chops. KENTA hits a tornado DDT over the ropes. He goes for a springboard, but Davey catches him in a power bomb, and then puts on a stretch muffler! KENTA reaches the ropes! The crowd are hot. They have a kawada kick exchange, then a slap exchange. Davey hits his rebound spinning enziguri. Davey hits a belly to belly, then his forearm in the corner, but KENTA cuts him off with a big boot, but Davey still hits his lariat! It gets 2. KENTA goes for Go 2 Sleep, but Davey reverses it. KENTA gets a tiger suplex for 2. Richards hits a gut buster, then a lyger bomb for 2! Richards goes for a shooting star, but KENTA gets his knees up! Busaiku knee kick! It only gets 2! KENTA goes for the Go 2 Sleep again, but Davey reverses it. He tries again, but Davey gets a crucifix! 1...2…NO! KENTA catches Davey with an ace crusher, and finally hits the Go 2 Sleep for the win! The fans chant “ROH” loudly. Fantastic match. The opening stages were good, with some nice mat work and kicks. It got better, with both men busting out the kicks and hitting bigger offence for near falls. The finishing sequence was awesome and really dramatic, I though Davey had it with the crucifix. The fans were really hot for this, which was good. The Go 2 Sleep was odd, as KENTA’s knee hit Davey’s arm, but KENTA’s elbow got Davey in the face. Not quite MOTYC, but still brilliant. ****1/4.

Jack evans, I thought the Gut Check main was awesome, and the overall show was really good. Here's what I put in my review for the main:

Great world title defence. Colt is fighting in his home town, and is very over. 1st fall: They do the usual mat wrestling to start, infused with some of Colt’s comedy. Colt gets the Colt 45 out of nowhere, and gets the pin fall! It is 1 – 0 to Colt about 6 minutes in! 2nd fall: Dragon is pissed about losing the fall. He attacks Colt and strikes him viciously. Danielson gets thrown out of the ring. Colt stays in. Danielson is pissed and acts it on the outside. He comes back in and gives Colt some uppercuts. He gives him some shoulder blocks to the gut. Colt avoids one, and Dragon goes crashing to the floor. That’s the bit where Danielson separated his shoulder! But it isn’t established yet, Danielson just holds it in pain on the outside. He gets back in. They do lots more mat work. It’s pretty slow this time. Colt’s keeping it interesting with some comedy. Colt puts Danielson in a surf board variation. Colt kinda goes to the arm but doesn’t too much, he doesn’t wanna hurt Danielson. Colt is acting all confident, and Danielson is still pretty frustrated. Danielson works over Colt’s face with strikes. He hits some kicks to Colt. Colt gets a quebrada for 2. Danielson gets a German without a bridge. Colt gets a cross body for 2. Danielson’s arm is obviously bothering him, and is making it hard for him and Colt to do certain moves. Colt gets a tornado suplex for 2. Dragon starts working on the leg. He uses a sexy party on Colt. Both men struggle for a suplex, for a while. Colt finally gets it. Dragon gets up first, and goes to work on Colt’s leg with stomps and submissions. He hits a surf board stomp to them. Dragon puts on a figure 4 leg lock for a while, but Colt escapes. Danielson misses a knee drop, and Cabana gains control with some small moves. Cabana misses another cross body, and Dragon gets a rollup for 2. Colt gets a forearm and a huge lariat that flipped Dragon over. It got 2. Danielson rolls back (Lance Storm style) and puts on a half Boston crab. Colt struggles but Dragon pulls him back to the centre of the ring. Colt eventually gets to the ropes. Danielson continues to work over the leg. He sends Colt outside, and gives him a baseball slide which sends Colt into the fans. Dragon follows it up with a massive suicide dive. Dragon starts working over Colt in the crowd, using heel methods. Colt gets Dragon hurt, and from the ring does a massive twisting cross body to Dragon in the crowd! Colt starts to work over Dragon in the crowd. Dragon regains control by choking Colt with something. He hits Colt’s leg with a chair. Colt hits a suplex onto Dragon, onto a chair! They go out of the crowd and outside the ring. Dragon whips Colt into the guardrail. Dragon sets up a table, and dumps Colt leg first on it. There’s only 10 minutes left in the 60 minute time limit. Colt gets a cradle DDt/suplex for a 2 count. Danielson hits a back superplex for 2. He locks in the crossface chickenwing, but Colt gets to the ropes. The fans are really hot here and all are standing. Danielson gets a regalplex for 2. He tries for cattle mutilation but Colt reverses it. Colt gets a Shwein onto his knee for 2! He puts on a Dragon sleeper, but Dragon reverses into a reverse suplex! Dragon puts Cattle Mutilation on, but Colt gets to the ropes. Colt hits an awesome top rope moonsault for 2! He hits another Colt 45! Dragon gets his feet on the ropes! Colt gets a power bomb, then puts on his reverse Boston crab! Dragon crawls to the ropes! Dragon gets a rollup for 2! Dragon hits 3 roaring forearms, then starts hitting the UFC Elbows! Colt gets to the ropes! 2 minutes left! Colt stalls on the outside! He comes back in, and there’s 1 minute left! Dragon gets a German for 2! He tells the ref to ask Bobby Cruise the time. While the ref’s back is turned, DRAGON HITS COLT WITH A LOW BLOW! SMALL PACKAGE, 1...2…3! The time limit expires! 1 – 1, the champion retains!
Well that was a great match. It was held back a little by Danielson’s injury, but that doesn’t matter so much. The body part work was really good. The brawling part was a bit odd, but it built to the crowd liking the match. Colt getting the fall early was nice, and the psychology used after was great. The last ten minutes were uber dramatic, and I loved it. Not as good as the Nigel match from the previous night, but better than the Joe match at FoTC (with a similar structure). ****1/4.

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I would have to say yes because recently I found the covers for the DVDs so it's safe to assume they'll be out soon.
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Praise god someone else said it!!

Joe not selling the knee hurt the match alot. Alot of people on here said, "He sold the knee well, and then it only stopped when they went to the big finishing sequence".

So in essence, people say its "fine" to stop selling a knee just so you can get all your spots in.

That cant happen.
If he has to no-sell the knee in order to hit a move without injuring Danielson or any other worker, then give the man a break, because that's what happened. When he hit his running facewash, he limped the entire time, when he had a moment to rest he tried walking around and fell to a kneeling position in pain...yes, some spots had lack of selling in the match, but in a 60 minute match you have to expect that and understand it. It's not like he was jumping around doing cartwheels after hurting his knee. He nailed some kicks and knee strikes, and then moments later when Danielson was hurt, he collapsed again. Joe is a heavy guy with hard strikes, he's willing to take pain to dish it out tenfold, that's what his whole character/gimmick is pretty much about, a badass that'll kick you in the face as much as possible.

As for 'it was obvious they were going 60' comment from R O H, well you went into the match knowing the result, so of course you could see the pattern and how they were going 60, but if you didn't it'd seem just like their MER match which started off similar and went at the same pace. Hey, where's that comment in the Nigel/Danielson match, hmm? Because they made it a lot more obvious they were going 60. Not being a Joe fan is one thing, shitting on his work is another.

By no match am I saying this is a perfect match (although it's close, ****1/2-****3/4 from me after re-watching it many times), but really, some of the stuff is way too nit-picky.
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How am I not surprised R_O_H thought KENTA was in the best match of the night...
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If he has to no-sell the knee in order to hit a move without injuring Danielson or any other worker, then give the man a break, because that's what happened. When he hit his running facewash, he limped the entire time, when he had a moment to rest he tried walking around and fell to a kneeling position in pain...yes, some spots had lack of selling in the match, but in a 60 minute match you have to expect that and understand it. It's not like he was jumping around doing cartwheels after hurting his knee. He nailed some kicks and knee strikes, and then moments later when Danielson was hurt, he collapsed again. Joe is a heavy guy with hard strikes, he's willing to take pain to dish it out tenfold, that's what his whole character/gimmick is pretty much about, a badass that'll kick you in the face as much as possible.

As for 'it was obvious they were going 60' comment from R O H, well you went into the match knowing the result, so of course you could see the pattern and how they were going 60, but if you didn't it'd seem just like their MER match which started off similar and went at the same pace. Hey, where's that comment in the Nigel/Danielson match, hmm? Because they made it a lot more obvious they were going 60. Not being a Joe fan is one thing, shitting on his work is another.

By no match am I saying this is a perfect match (although it's close, ****1/2-****3/4 from me after re-watching it many times), but really, some of the stuff is way too nit-picky.

I gotta disagree with you on this one Spartan. I don't consider myself nit picky at all, and I think that comes out in my opinions, and I normally don't mind selling issues, but I hated it in this match. I still love the match ****1/4-1/2 no doubt, but it could have been so much better. I mean, not only did Dragon work the knee for longer than the average match goes, but for months that was built. They should have worked around it in the finish, like have Joe be unable to do his kicks. And the limping was certainly not on all, that was one spot. If Joe needed to be in control at the end, I don't see why he had to destroy Dragon with kicks on a knee that should have fallen off, when he could have used the Chimera combo or something. As for the unpredictable nature of the draw, it doesn't affect my opinion in any way, but when you heard both Dragon and Joe went under 15 minutes on TTMU, one of them in the main event, did you really have any doubt?
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