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Old 12-23-2006, 10:00 AM   #4831 (permalink)
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For $10 don't skip Vendetta. Strong/Danielson is easily ***** and worth the $10 price tag alone.
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Old 12-23-2006, 10:52 AM   #4832 (permalink)
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Vendetta: (BTW I hated this show, just to explain my low star ratings)

Ace and Delirious vs Nigel and Collyer - **
Sal Rinauro vs Jimmy Jacobs - **
BJ Whitmer vs Claudio - ***
Samoa Joe vs Chirs Daniles - ***1/2
Pearce vs Andrews - 1/4*
Danielson vs Strong - ***1/2
Embassy vs Generation Next - ***

Just ask if you want any explanations for the low ratings.

And HailSabin I advise skipping this show.
Are you kidding me? Strong/Dragon, the 8 man tag war and Daniels/Joe were way better than what you rated them I have to ask why.

Cody for $10 get Vendetta for Strong/Dragon alone. I promise you it's one of the greatest matches you'll ever see and it rivals Joe/Punk II the undercard is pretty solid as well and you get a really fun main event.
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Old 12-23-2006, 12:25 PM   #4833 (permalink)
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Are you kidding me? Strong/Dragon, the 8 man tag war and Daniels/Joe were way better than what you rated them I have to ask why.
I was expecting someone would ask that.

Joe/Daniels - nothing wrong with it, I just wasnt into it. I thought it was really serious, and not very fun to watch. The leg work was good, but it seemed like Joe was just letting Daniels do it, rather than trying to fight back.

8 man - It was fun, but had some really stupid stuff. For example, at the end Aries was pinned with the Air Raid Crash. He's taken no other big moves or anything before that. Fresh Aries gets pinned with one finisher here. Very tired Aries has kicked out of 2 finishers in his title reign. Aries shouldnt have been pinned. AJ Germaned Abyss through the table, 15 minutes in to a 20 minute match. Abyss didnt recover after this, but neither did AJ. Why not? Lots of legal man issues were thrown out of the window. It felt like a big sloppy brawl in the end.

Dragon/Strong - The crowd seemed really dead for this. The camera angles were bad, as they showed both men atalking to each other about what to do next. It was annoying that Dragon dominated pretty much the whle match, leaving Strong too tired making his comebacks worse. Things felt really misplaced, Strong hit a nasty backdrop driver, then both men rested and went back to restholds. That move should have been used later, not then. That same situation happened with other moves, eg. Strong's big powerbomb. Some botches as I like to call them - Dragon hitting a baseball slide dropkick sending Strong to the outside, but you can see that Strong goes to the outside before Dragon hits him, thus it doesn't connect at all. Also the belly to belly to the outside was dumb, as Strong clearly ran into the gaurdrail. And the crowd seemed really dead.

I thought the show didnt really have any excellent matches, and didn't feel fun at all.
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Wow, talk about over-analyzing, Jesus Christ. This is exactly why ROH fans get a bad rep "Well, you see, he used a third rest hold when really only two were needed, and that backdrop looked a tad botched, and Strong's hair got messed up so that took away from the match...", etc.
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Wow, talk about over-analyzing, Jesus Christ. This is exactly why ROH fans get a bad rep "Well, you see, he used a third rest hold when really only two were needed, and that backdrop looked a tad botched, and Strong's hair got messed up so that took away from the match...", etc.
Well what I put wasn't as nitpicky as that.

And that's just how I watch, and my reasons for disliking the match.
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I was expecting someone would ask that.

Joe/Daniels - nothing wrong with it, I just wasnt into it. I thought it was really serious, and not very fun to watch. The leg work was good, but it seemed like Joe was just letting Daniels do it, rather than trying to fight back.
I liked the seriousness of these two in this match exspecially Daniels who wanted to show he could beat Joe that very story made the match for me.

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8 man - It was fun, but had some really stupid stuff. For example, at the end Aries was pinned with the Air Raid Crash. He's taken no other big moves or anything before that. Fresh Aries gets pinned with one finisher here. Very tired Aries has kicked out of 2 finishers in his title reign. Aries shouldnt have been pinned. AJ Germaned Abyss through the table, 15 minutes in to a 20 minute match. Abyss didnt recover after this, but neither did AJ. Why not? Lots of legal man issues were thrown out of the window. It felt like a big sloppy brawl in the end.
None of that stuff you mentioned hurt the match up unless you're just being nitpicky over little things. The thing about the match breaking down into a brawl made sense to me since the feud was so heated at the time. Overall it was a very good brawl that came across great on TV.

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Dragon/Strong - The crowd seemed really dead for this. The camera angles were bad, as they showed both men atalking to each other about what to do next. It was annoying that Dragon dominated pretty much the whle match, leaving Strong too tired making his comebacks worse. Things felt really misplaced, Strong hit a nasty backdrop driver, then both men rested and went back to restholds. That move should have been used later, not then. That same situation happened with other moves, eg. Strong's big powerbomb. Some botches as I like to call them - Dragon hitting a baseball slide dropkick sending Strong to the outside, but you can see that Strong goes to the outside before Dragon hits him, thus it doesn't connect at all. Also the belly to belly to the outside was dumb, as Strong clearly ran into the gaurdrail. And the crowd seemed really dead.
I didn't feel like the crowd was dead for this at all it was just great all around it had everything. Dragon playing off to the crowd getting great heel heat, the intensity they had in there first encounter gets taken up a few more notches in this one and the fucking chops were brutal and I loved the MMA ending in this match (which I feel got overused some times this year but whatever) overall this was a really fun match up that didn't feel like it went as long as it did.


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I thought the show didnt really have any excellent matches, and didn't feel fun at all.
This show had 2 very good matches and a amazing ROH title match that rivals Joe/Kobashi and Punk/Joe II.

Strong/Dragon - *****
Joe/Daniels - ****
8 Man War - ***3/4
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I just got Super Dragon Evoultion 3 and 4 for $31 counting shipping. Its on the pwg website but I got it on ebay.

Here are the Matches:

SUPER DRAGON - EVOLUTION 3

Disc 1:
9/28/02 - Revolution Pro - Super Dragon vs Mr. Excitement
12/14/02 - GSCW - Super Dragon vs Bobby Quance (SoCal MOTY 2002)
12/22/02 - Revolution Pro - TARO vs Super Dragon
3/29/03 - GSCW - Super Dragon vs Joey Ryan
3/29/03 - GSCW - Super Dragon / B-Boy vs Bobby Quance / Jardi Frantz (SoCal MOTY 2003)

Disc 2:
5/4/03 - Revolution Pro - Super Dragon vs Mr. Excitement
7/19/03 - Revolution Pro - Super Dragon vs TARO
8/16/03 - APW LA - Super Dragon / Excalibur vs Joey Ryan / Scott Lost
8/29/03 - PWG - Super Dragon vs Hook Bomberry
8/30/03 - PWG - Super Dragon vs Joey Ryan (SoCal MOTY #3)

Disc 3:
9/20/03 - Revolution Pro - Super Dragon vs Mr. Excitement
10/04/03 - PWG - Super Dragon / B-Boy vs The Briscoe Bros
10/18/03 - APW LA- Super Dragon vs Vic Grimes
11/15/03 - PWG - Super Dragon vs Joey Ryan - Guerrilla Warfare match
11/29/03 - Revolution Pro - Super Dragon vs TARO "Mask vs Mask" (SoCal MOTY runner up)

Disc 4 - Bonus Disc:
1997 - Super Dragon debut match vs Tiger Joe
2/23/03 - All Japan - Super Dragon vs. Extreme Blade
7/18/03 - WPW: "Best of the West" - Super Dragon vs Scott Lost
9/20/03 - Revolution Pro - Super Dragon vs Zokre
10/11/03 - RevPro: "Pride of the Mask" - Super Dragon / Zokre / Rising Son vs Quicksilver / Phoenix Star / TARO
12/10/03 - Super Dragon vs Charles Mercury
01/07/04 - Super Dragon / Ronin vs Charles Mercury / Topgun Talwar

SUPER DRAGON - EVOLUTION 4



Disc 1:
3/16/04 - Super Dragon vs. Babi Slymm - Revolution Pro Wrestling
4/17/04 - Super Dragon & Excalibur vs. Chris Bosh & Quicksilver - PWG
6/12/04 - Super Dragon vs. Chris Bosh - Revolution Pro Wrestling

Disc 2:
6/27/04 - Super Dragon vs. B-Boy - JCW - Jersey J-Cup Finals
9/11/04 - Super Dragon vs. B-Boy vs. Bobby Quance vs. Excalibur - CZW
9/17/04 - Super Dragon vs. Arik Cannon - IWA MidSouth Ted Petty Invitational 2004
9/25/04 - Super Dragon vs. Jonny Storm (30 Minute Iron Man Match) - IPW-UK (England Match Of The Year)
10/21/04 - Super Dragon vs. BJ Whitmer - IWA Mid-South

Disc 3:
10/22/04 - Super Dragon vs. B-Boy - IWA MidSouth - Strong Style Tournament
10/23/04 - Super Dragon vs. Joey Ryan (1 Hour Iron Man Match) - PWG
11/12/04 - Super Dragon vs. Jack Evans - Pro Wrestling War

Disc 4:
11/14/04 - Super Dragon & Excalibur vs. Scorpio Sky & Quicksilver - CZW
12/5/04 - Super Dragon vs. Mr. Excitement (Excitement retirement match) - RevPro
12/11/04 - Super Dragon & Excalibur vs. Kevin Steen & El Generico - CZW
2/15/05 - Super Dragon & B-Boy vs. Ebessan & Billy Ken Kid - Chikara Tag World Grand Prix


Both movies are 8 hours in length
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Are you kidding me? Strong/Dragon, the 8 man tag war and Daniels/Joe were way better than what you rated them I have to ask why.

Cody for $10 get Vendetta for Strong/Dragon alone. I promise you it's one of the greatest matches you'll ever see and it rivals Joe/Punk II the undercard is pretty solid as well and you get a really fun main event.
alright, i am going for this show then. If it rivals Joe/Punk II(which is said to be the best match in ROH ever) then i am going for it. Plus the 8 man tag did catch me as well. With everyone saying i should get it, i will. Thanks.

Thanks to McQueen for the star ratings on Sign Of Dishonor, actually sounds like a good show.
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Thanks to McQueen for the star ratings on Sign Of Dishonor, actually sounds like a good show.
Its worth a look. Its not the greatest show out there buts its not terrible either. It was the first ROH show I bought mainly because Im a Punk mark. His promo that he opens the show with is one of the best hes done IMO and his altercation with Mick Foley is also fun watching them go back and forth against one another on the mic.
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Its worth a look. Its not the greatest show out there buts its not terrible either. It was the first ROH show I bought mainly because Im a Punk mark. His promo that he opens the show with is one of the best hes done IMO and his altercation with Mick Foley is also fun watching them go back and forth against one another on the mic.
ok thanks, its only 10 bucks too and i am not picky when it comes to wrestling, ROH or indys in general. It starts with a Punk promo, then i will be very into it, kinda the same reason why i got Death Before Dishonor III, Punk wins the gold/Punk's great promo. Once again thanks, sounds like a fun show. The 4 Corner Survival is what caught my eye.
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