[McQueen]

Since I brought this up I may as well address it quick...
Spartanlax, I'm just saying I don't think Super Dragon is anywhere near being the best in the business in terms of playing the heel, sure like some of the examples you mensioned are great heel tactics to be using, like teasing moves and being a cocky jackass. The problem is with him is he pretty much does that in every match if he's working heel or face (but in his fairness the crowd eats it up), if I were to pick up a random PWG or CZW show and watch a Super Dragon match the only way I could tell you who was playing what role is from how his opponent is reacting. I just don't see the big fuss about the guy hes got some cool moves but whenever I watch him everything he does barely has rhyme or reasoning behind it.

Anyways Hailsabin i've got TPI 2004 coming in the mail so I can PM you what I think about it and compare it to 06's. Now that -Mystery- has hyped it up so much I have to see how it compares to J-Cup 94, my pick for best tourney ever.

[Obfuscation]

Originally Posted by McQueen

Since I brought this up I may as well address it quick...
Spartanlax, I'm just saying I don't think Super Dragon is anywhere near being the best in the business in terms of playing the heel, sure like some of the examples you mensioned are great heel tactics to be using, like teasing moves and being a cocky jackass. The problem is with him is he pretty much does that in every match if he's working heel or face (but in his fairness the crowd eats it up), if I were to pick up a random PWG or CZW show and watch a Super Dragon match the only way I could tell you who was playing what role is from how his opponent is reacting. I just don't see the big fuss about the guy hes got some cool moves but whenever I watch him everything he does barely has rhyme or reasoning behind it.

Anyways Hailsabin i've got TPI 2004 coming in the mail so I can PM you what I think about it and compare it to 06's. Now that -Mystery- has hyped it up so much I have to see how it compares to J-Cup 94, my pick for best tourney ever.

ok cool, i trust Mystery's choice but another opinion is always good.

So i am guessing you don't like Super Dragon or something?? well when he's face he does the heel tatics only sometimes but not all the time(BOLA's 8 man tag match, Free Admission(J/K etc.) Ok i just wanted to state that is all, as far as best Heel, one of them, when he is a heel that is.

[Spartanlax]

if I were to pick up a random PWG or CZW show and watch a Super Dragon match the only way I could tell you who was playing what role is from how his opponent is reacting

But doesn't the same go for Samoa Joe? Bryan Danielson? Davey Richards? Jimmy Jacobs? Jack Evans? Homicide? That's just their style and their wrestling character, plus since the indy crowds tend to cheer both faces and heels, what can they do?

I just don't see the big fuss about the guy hes got some cool moves but whenever I watch him everything he does barely has rhyme or reasoning behind it.

Watch his tag matches from this year. I used to think the exact same thing (then again, at that point I had only seen tons of match clips, never a full match). After watching his tag matches in PWG and some CZW matches, the man is seriously underrated.

Maybe best heel in the business is pushing it, but he's DEFINITELY one of the best.

[-Mystery-]

For the record I haven't seen the Super J-Cup 94 and with the way some people rate the matches it seems like that's better than TPI 04. So, if some finds it odd that I'm saying TPI 04 is the best it's because I haven't seen any tournaments outside the States.

[Honor™]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
TPI 04 is the only US indy tournament i have seen. (Besides survival of the fittest).

TPI 04 was a great event, but wouldnt even make the top 20 tournaments in the world if you include japan.

So yeah, its good but japan is where the tourny structure excells

[ROH]

Well my TPI and BOLA havent come in the mail yet, ordered them 3 weeks ago. Should I be worried?

I'm kinda regretting buying MCM now, but good news about SOTF.

And about good heels...I think the Rotts of 'Cide and Ki were great heels, I really heted them.

And HailSabin it depends what you like. If you wanna see a crummy undercard but 2 great MOTYCs get Unified.

If you want to see a great all round card, one of the funnest ROH shows to date, and 1 great MOTYC get Anarchy in the UK.

I would give Anarchy the slight edge, mostly for watchability.

[Thats_howIroll]

Gut Check is a really underrated show. One of the best i've seen this year. I'm serious.

1. Nigel McGuinness/Jimmy Rave/Sal Rinuaro vs. Delirious/Irish Airborne-***1/4
2. BJ Whitmer vs. Jimmy Jacobs-**3/4
3. Briscoes vs. Homicide/Davey Richards-****-****1/4
4. Samoa Joe vs. Claudio Castagnoli-***1.5/4
5. Austin Aries/Roderick Strong (c) vs. Christopher Daniels/Matt Sydal-****1/4
6. Bryan Danielson (c) vs. Colt Cabana-****1/2

I wasn't expecting much from this show and I got 3 awesome matches and a bunch of other good ones too.

[McQueen]

Originally Posted by R_O_H

Well my TPI and BOLA havent come in the mail yet, ordered them 3 weeks ago. Should I be worried?

And HailSabin it depends what you like. If you wanna see a crummy undercard but 2 great MOTYCs get Unified.

If you want to see a great all round card, one of the funnest ROH shows to date, and 1 great MOTYC get Anarchy in the UK.

I would give Anarchy the slight edge, mostly for watchability.

Depends did you order directly from PWG's site or have the same UPS carrier as spartanlax? 3 Weeks does sound like a long time for one simple order though.

Really you thought Unified had a weak undercard? I mean it's no doubt Anarchy was a little more solid as a whole show and I have no problem keeping everything on Anarchy inbetween *** - ****1/4, but I do think Unified was an better show with the double main event both being arguably *****-ish matches and a undercard that for the most part coasts aroung the *** mark.

[AmEagle]

My order of the Glory By Honor V Weekend and FIP Bring The Pain should arrive anytime within the next few days I can't wait to watch them.I'm looking to pick up some Straight Shootin DVD's what ones would you guys suggest I get?

[Platt]

Originally Posted by AmEagle

My order of the Glory By Honor V Weekend and FIP Bring The Pain should arrive anytime within the next few days I can't wait to watch them.I'm looking to pick up some Straight Shootin DVD's what ones would you guys suggest I get?

Top 3 i've seen

Joe & Punk
Punk & Cabana
Steve Corino