Originally Posted by Japanese Puroresu
KENTA embodies Strong Style more than Nakamura, hell even Shibata embodies Strong Style more than Shinsuke. KENTA has charisma, he doesn't have happy go lucky face charisma. He's booked like a badass. A shooter. That's how he comes across as legit.
He's had great matches before he left for NXT, so I don't get your criticism there either.
We usually agree but I feel you're far off on this one my friend.
I was coming here exactly just to say that about KENTA being the real King of Strong Style.
I feel like most people who excessively criticize him have not really seen the bulk of his work.
Or it's always the misleading, "only one style of charisma" charisma marks.
The freakin' wrong-headed definition/application of charisma thing again....ugh.
I'll just post what I posted in other threads. The third post applies to KENTA too:
They are totally different type of wrestlers and have different things to offer as far as aura.
I agree that in WWE's mind, all Asians are the same, but it's silly to even compare the two.
The command KENTA had over the audience by just walking to the ring in Japan was something to behold. He read "shit is about to go down", and was just a badass, tough as shit, little ass-kicker. Body language was superb.
The land of the WWE has turned him into just another "indy" wrestler (Vanilla Midget as you like to say), because it's clear that the WWE has no idea why he got so over in Japan in the first place.
I think he'll get a short-term push due to the "who attacked him?" angle, and they will have some kind of rivalry with Nakamura, but after that, eh.
He's one who they really have no idea of what they have in their hands. That was made obvious by how he looked like a chump in the Battle Royal. Should have had a gutsy, gritty, going down with a "scream" performance, and THEN have been eliminated. Ugh.
[In response to someone saying that KENTA comes off as just another Bryan/Punk wannabe] They both completely jacked his style, Punk especially (and I love Punk), but they don't have his intensity.
I can understand why someone who didn't see him first would say that, though, and I often wonder if American fans are gonna think that Nakamura is ripping off Dean Ambrose in terms of character, lol.
The lack of Hideo's character being built around intensity in NXT/WWE is the biggest problem, though. I don't know if it's because of the lower level of competition or because of navigating the new system or what not, but it's why some people aren't connecting with him. What made him HIM is not being displayed as much there.
It would help if he had a rivalry that he could really sink his teeth into, but I get the impression that he's being told what to do as far as match layout and time constraints and all of that. It's kind of like everything's being done without a real purpose.
I did think that he was starting to get on a roll in that match with Finn at WM weekend.
[Shibata] gets entire arenas to cheer for him over people like Tana, Ibushi, etc., all while clearly never giving a shit about them, or doing anything special or pandering as far as playing to them at all.
I'd say that pretty much is the definition of charisma.
I've had this conversation before about other quiet, insular, wrestling characters. I made the point that it's actually a testament to them having even more charisma than the obvious charisma people, because it's harder to get over without being more overt.
The fact that people like Shibata do get so over, speaks volumes about how much charisma they really have. It's more sneaky.
People always equate charisma with obvious/loud. It's so wrong, IMO.
Star quality, star presence, speaking actions through just body language and aura...it's all there with Shibata. Uniqueness too.
Btw, love Nakamura, but let's not pretend that he was setting the world on fire for much of his career. So if you talk about KENTA supposedly not being impressive lately, you have to say the same for Nakamura until he got on 'dem Mexican drugs.