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Old 08-12-2014, 12:37 PM   #31 (permalink)
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he's good but compared to other top guys, he's limited and only there because he's Gedo's golden boy and other guys like Swag and Tana are getting old, Shibata should have been the star years ago until he had a mindfuck and went to do MMA, Ishii and Honma can rile-up ANY crowd.
Well Gedo had to make somebody a star. Are you really blaming him for that? Honma and Ishii are also both old (37 and 38 respectively). Tanahashi is only 5 days older than Honma. Shinsuke is 4 and 3 years younger than Ishii and Honma and still has a few years of prime left imo as he just turned 34 in February. Shibata is also 34 and I'd argue that he's getting a fine chance to be a star and they obviously realize he's main event material by having Okada reject his challenge back in February. He'll be at the top someday but not if they think he's a risk to hurt other main eventers which imo he is.

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Okada wrestles like a North American main eventer. draping ddt, tombstone, dropkick.
So he stands out in Japan and that's a bad thing? I don't think so. NJPW sent him to North America (TNA) so he could turn into the wrestler he is now. Something tells me this is exactly what the finished product was supposed to be and I don't see but a couple of people complaining about it.
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guys like Shinskay, Tanahashi and Ishii will get over in wwe within seconds. Okada will have trouble, he's not unique.
I have no idea what your point is here. Last year he turned down a WWE offer while Shinskay was rejected after a tryout in 2009 or 2010 citing that his wrestling style was holding him back.
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Goto is way too fucking bland. This is who they should push

Okada, Tanahashi, Nakamura and Ibushi.
You mean the guys they're already fucking pushing, two of which they have been pushing for the last seven years?

Goto deserves to be a transitional champion at the very least. He doesn't need to be a WK main eventer, he doesn't have that type of appeal, but he does have something otherwise they wouldn't have had him win NJC 80 times.

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You mean the guys they're already fucking pushing, two of which they have been pushing for the last seven years?

Goto deserves to be a transitional champion at the very least. He doesn't need to be a WK main eventer, he doesn't have that type of appeal, but he does have something otherwise they wouldn't have had him win NJC 80 times.
yeah i get thism maybe goto should win it whilst their building or rebuilding someone for them to take it off goto?

perhaps Anderson if the bullet club eventually/hopefully, (it hasnt been the same without devitt) collapses
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Who else do you think gedo and jado should push?

I think goto personally
I think they might go with Shibata in the short term, but Ibushi in the long term. It's hard to know with how hard they've pushed guys like Goto and Naito and yet didn't go all the way with them. I'm uncertain how long they'll ride their signing of AJ Styles also. The big 3 have been booked at the top for a long time now, will Styles be included in that high booking for the next few years remains to be seen. What we all do know is Okada is going to have a John Cena run for the next decade.
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Elitism, swagger, pretty boy, and amazing in the ring (at least for someone with his height). I don't know about 5 star matches, just because that's a meaningless concept to me. He just makes everything seem epic. And its incredible how he's shifted from a heel to a babyface that feels like the company depends on him (I swear he was giving the entire audience guilty, depressing looks during his poor 2013 G1 performance).

But look, if you don't like him, that's fine. I think Pro Wrestling NOAH is crap, I just know that it isn't, and that it just isn't for me, because too many intelligent ppl praise the in-ring performances of wrestlers who don't depend on character. Lol so they must be good. If its not for you, its not for you.
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Basically he's the complete pro-wrestler imo. The best total package walking around, atleast to me, and he's just 26- so he's yet to hit his peak and will only get better.

He stands out from most of the rest in Japan due to his more "Americanized" style of wrestling, compared to the traditional strong style. Tbf, Tanahashi isn't a big advocate of strong style either, but Okada's look, presentation and mannerisms endear him to the Western Audience quicker than Tanahashi I think.

He is insanely athletic- his dropkick is gorgeous- his signature moves are all awesome, he is an amazing seller (probably the best at selling an arm injury). I like how most if not all of his moveset targets the head/neck region of his opponent setting up for the Rainmaker. And he knows how to work the crowd, when to time his comebacks, when to pull out a certain move etc. He makes the audience pop for something as simple as a flapjack or dropkick, which is incredible really. Plus, he can do a bit of everything- he can fly, he can exchange hard strikes with the best of em, he's got the size to believably use power moves against anyone and so on.

This is the first talent to make me an instant mark since I saw him. I think Okada is something special really. Tanahashi and Nakamura, I took some time to mark for them (and Naka's kinda fallen off for me, though I recognize Tana's greatness now), but I've been an Okada mark since the day I got into NJPW.
you are correct. he's incredible for his age, and he's so good that when he slows down he'll be so experienced by then he'll still be putting on great matches. I became an instant mark for him too, the only other guys I can say that for were misawa and kawada.
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he's good but compared to other top guys, he's limited and only there because he's Gedo's golden boy and other guys like Swag and Tana are getting old, Shibata should have been the star years ago until he had a mindfuck and went to do MMA, Ishii and Honma can rile-up ANY crowd.

Okada wrestles like a North American main eventer. draping ddt, tombstone, dropkick.

guys like Shinskay, Tanahashi and Ishii will get over in wwe within seconds. Okada will have trouble, he's not unique.

He's still very good though

Shibata's kinda limited in what he does too. His strikes and no selling backdrops will also get old if he wrestles 20 minute singles matches in the main event regularly. And I think he does need to tone it down a bit.

Okada's whole schtick is very North American compared to the rest of the roster. Right from his look, entrance, the Rainmaker moniker etc. I'm guessing this is all what they want from him. He has trained in Mexico and in New Japan's dojo too so he's well versed in the lucha and traditional strong style as well, but don't think it's necessary.

Tanahashi wrestles a somewhat American style too, compared to Nakamura or Shibata.
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Goto and Naito both have that thing of being typecast at this point, always the bridesmaid never the bride, type of deal. Both got World Title matches at the start of the year, and in neither case did I sense the people wanted them to take the crown.
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Okada is just the complete package IMO.
Incredible charisma and awesome in-ring skills...
This guy puts on classics with almost everyone he faces nowadays. And he is just 26. I think if there'd be one international wrestler from outside WWE who I'd give the biggest shot to ever become WWE Champion it would be this guy. Probably it won't happen, but still, this guy would also connect great with the North American fans.
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Goto and Naito both have that thing of being typecast at this point, always the bridesmaid never the bride, type of deal. Both got World Title matches at the start of the year, and in neither case did I sense the people wanted them to take the crown.
I think this is more of a case of how much people love Okada and want to see him in main events and don't want him slipping into tag matches all the time. The fans can definitely get behind those two. Check out Tanahashi vs Goto from 6/18/11 and Tanahashi vs Naito from 10/10/11 to see this. Both matches are also incredible, it is Tanahashi in 2011 after all.
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