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Old 06-12-2014, 06:45 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Pretty sure most of the indy companies are holding shows a few miles or so away from the 49ers Stadium so they found a loophole around it.
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No its not legal. A city can't stop a business from making money and give another company a temporary monopoly. The only thing Santa Clara can do is restrict the WWE from running in buildings it owns. And what ever Management company that runs levi stadium will probably agree to the demands but that all.
This statement is law student approved. But I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

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yeah, cause every fan that comes to Mania is a indy fan too. I don't think that in the WrestleMania crowd there are 5000 indy fans.

IIRC, the indyz started to do these shows in the WM week since WM 25 or 26.



WWE has the power to do what the fuck they like. If they will not do this then Vince could easily move WrestleMania out of Santa Clara if he can find another city with a large stadium that isn't booked for March 29, 2015.

Vince built WWE with his sweat and tears, he made this company the best in the world and why should he allow someone else to come and take food from his table? If WWE wants it then they will block other wrestling shows and you know it. They have the power and the mayors will do what WWE and Vince will say.
The first statement really confuses me. I wasn't speaking for people in general, I don't think this would hurt WWE very much, if at all. I was making a true statement about myself. If there is no indy wrestling during Wrestlemania weekend I don't think I would go.
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
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No its not legal. A city can't stop a business from making money and give another company a temporary monopoly. The only thing Santa Clara can do is restrict the WWE from running in buildings it owns. And what ever Management company that runs levi stadium will probably agree to the demands but that all.
I assume that the indies situation played a part in the bid between Santa Clara and Philadelphia.

Even if not legal, there could be political ramifications.
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WWE is making millions during WM weekend and they can't even give the indies some table scraps?
My thoughts too. Just seems really petty and needless. But I don't think they can do that, anyway.
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:52 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I assume that the indies situation played a part in the bid between Santa Clara and Philadelphia.

Even if not legal, there could be political ramifications.
Philly wasn't in the running....

Here's the deal.... Vince wants to have the Super Bowl follow WrestleMania.
So he's trying to book the stadiums for WM before they host a Superbowl.

MetLife Stadium WM29 2013 - SB 2014
Santa Clara WM 2015 and Super Bowl 2016

I'm sure WM32 will be in Minneapolis
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Philly wasn't in the running....

Here's the deal.... Vince wants to have the Super Bowl follow WrestleMania.
So he's trying to book the stadiums for WM before they host a Superbowl.

MetLife Stadium WM29 2013 - SB 2014
Santa Clara WM 2015 and Super Bowl 2016

I'm sure WM32 will be in Minneapolis
It's at AT&T Stadium, likely to be officially confirmed during HIAC week in Dallas this year.

Per Meltzer, markets that have shown interest for WM33 and beyond include Toronto, Columbus, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis. I believe Orlando and Detroit may still be interested, but have pulled back a bit after losing out to Dallas.

I expect WM to be in Minneapolis within 5 years, yes. Never been there, fuckton of history (AWA, first ever Nitro, childhood locations of Flair, Rude, Hennigs, etc.), huge market, tons of tourism. PHENOMENAL looking facility too.
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Yes, a city or a state can refuse to allow a privately-owned arena from hosting a show because it can refuse to issue an event license. Happens all the time. Marilyn Manson has been banned from appearing in certain cities and states, for instance -- which means a venue cannot get an event license to host a MM concert in those places.

The Democratic and Republican national conventions also reach agreements with host cities not to issue permits to protest groups (public assembly in most places requires a permit to gather) within a certain distance of the host arena. They may not shove them completely out of town, that would result in bad publicity, but they do push them away from immediate proximity of the event itself.

WWE brings an economic impact of many millions of dollars to whatever city it takes WM to, and with that it can make demands. If City A says, no, we're going to stand up for Whatever Arena's right to rent its 400-seat arena to DGUSA that week, then WWE can say go right ahead, we're going to City B. Now it's not likely that WWE can make that kind of deal with all the surrounding cities -- i.e. it may have an agreement in place for Santa Clara (and according to what I heard from someone who works for ROH, they believe that is so) but it probably doesn't have an agreement for neighboring towns which have their own licensing boards.

So at worst, I'd expect WWE to be able to push indy shows far enough away to make it inconvenient for people to attend, but not to stomp them out entirely. The biggest victim might be Wrestlecon, which would need to rent a convention center of some size to hold its event, and needs steady traffic all weekend to make it work -- if that's too far away it would be tough to make a go (tougher than any individual indy show, which doesn't need steady day-and-night traffic -- just a decent crowd to show up for a few hours).
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It's at AT&T Stadium, likely to be officially confirmed during HIAC week in Dallas this year.

Per Meltzer, markets that have shown interest for WM33 and beyond include Toronto, Columbus, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis. I believe Orlando and Detroit may still be interested, but have pulled back a bit after losing out to Dallas.

I expect WM to be in Minneapolis within 5 years, yes. Never been there, fuckton of history (AWA, first ever Nitro, childhood locations of Flair, Rude, Hennigs, etc.), huge market, tons of tourism. PHENOMENAL looking facility too.
Yes WM32 has already been announced as being at Jerryworld
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I hope this isn't true because I saw the whole WM weekend as a huge positive for the wrestling business and the talent. Youre talking about 80k plus, many from out of town, all heading to a big market for the biggest wrestling show of the year. What a great opportunity for all the indy promotions to have access to all those wrestling fans and a chance for many talents to get scouted.

Bigger concern would be the cost of running an indy show in the Bay Area. Quite expensive. Almost as bad as New York and not as good of a wrestling market but then again you're getting that huge Mania crowd for that weekend.
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:43 AM   #30 (permalink)
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WWE is making millions during WM weekend and they can't even give the indies some table scraps?
Thats really dissapointing if this is really true. I mean i think bringing in the Indies draws more people to the town and and to Wrestlemania. So it might be a bad move on WWE'S PART.
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