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Old 01-05-2014, 10:02 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Wrestle Kingdom 8

Makabe vs Fale ***3/4

Goto vs Shibata ****

Okada vs Naito ***3/4

Tanahashi vs Nakamura ****1/4
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:44 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I'd be willing to tally if we're all still on board for the cumulative list. Regardless, it would be beneficial if everyone carried on updating their MotY lists as they all seem to be on the first couple pages, anyway.

I'd suggest we all only nominate matches we can foresee (as best as possible)a top 10 placing at the end of the year for its specific category. Of course that will probably be harder for the first quarter of the year, but 2013 is still there as a guide. Going forward, the OP will make use of spoiler tags to ensure the post doesn't become excessive in length and comprises of FIVE categories:

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* Lucha Libre (Mexico + South America)
* Europe and Other (everything not belonging in the previous categories)

I honestly see the latter two being hardly used so they shouldn't be much of a problem. The first three are, however. If we do stick to only nominating great matches (regardless of set star-ratings, as each of us are different), it should reduce the amount. Additionally, if we have a voting system it will help weed out the lower calibre nominations, as well. If the total vote count is zero or below then it's removed. Thus, it only takes one person (two, including the nominator) to have a match removed from the list. Considering a lot of us watch a majority of the output from the first three categories finding matches to weed out shouldn't be much of an issue. As for relegated/removed matches, whether they're removed completely or shifted into a separate column is up for decision, too.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:50 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Wrestle Kingdom 8
Hirooki Goto Vs. Katsuyori Shibata
Kazuchika Okada Vs. Tetsuya Naito
Shinsuke Nakamura Vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi ( Nakamura had the best entrance of the night)
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Wrestle Kingdom 8

Okada vs. Naito - ****
Nakamaru vs. Tanahashi - **** 1/4
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Haven't had much free time over the last few days, but I've been dying to get to Wrestle Kingdom 8. Skipped straight to the main event, ***3/4 for me. Cloverleaf Styles Clash was AWESOME and there were some tremendous moments, like Nakamura stomping the shit out of Tanahashi when he was lying on the apron, but Shinsuke hardly sold the leg at all. When it's such a focal point of the match, that bothers me. Still, I'm down for the rematch.

Now to go back through the rest of the WK8 card...
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Old 01-06-2014, 04:13 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Wrestle Kingdom 8
-Shibata vs Goto ****1/4
-Ibushi vs Devitt ****
-Okada vs Naito ****1/4-1/2(It felt like they were holding back because the weren't last)
-Tanahashi vs Nakumura ****1/2


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Tana/Nakamura was really good, but really was let down for me by Nakamuras apparent dislike of selling his leg. It'd elevated by some fantastic stuff though, two good control segments (Nakamuras early stuff and then Tanahashi working over the leg), awesome and unique counters and sequences, Nakamura kicking the shit out of Tanahashi and winning all of the strike exchanges fairly easily etc was all really good stuff. But yeah, the selling...just random. There was one point where Tanahashi hit a dragon screw or something and Nakamura just completely blew it off, like, it wasn;t even a fighting spirit no sell spot, it was like he just pretended the sequence they just did didn't even happen at all. Weird because when Tana first started after the leg he was great at the short term selling, writhing in pain, holding the leg etc, then when it's time for his comeback his mind must just go totally blank. He's so talented and just gold in every other aspect, and it isn't even like he can't sell because we've all seen him do it before, it just seems to be the last year he seems to be refusing to do it, and like someone said already, when it's such a focal point of the match like this one, you NEED to sell the leg.

Okada/Naito for the first half was heading towards being fucking great imo, then the second half happened and Naito started doing his stupid submission finisher that nobody even knows exists apparently and the crowd full on dies for big portions of it while Naito was making his comebacks. Still some great spots like Okada getting angry to the extent I've never seen before after Naito starts hitting headbutts, and Okada destroys him on the outside and starts kicking stuff and throwing his elbow pads. Okada had some really good stuff towards the end, the tombstone spots and the Rainmaker set ups etc. I'm going to sound like a complete bias fanboy now but I really don't see how the blame for this being disappointing can be laid on Okada when he was clearly a fuck ton better than Naito here. Wasn't Okada's finest moment, but he was really good as he usually is, came across like the champion at a lot of points and kept things logical and got the crowd back in to the match whenever he would comeback or be in control. It was Naito that didn't sell anything, killed the crowd because you could tell they wanted him to sell at least a little, throw a hand to the neck, take some time...something. Okada sold the neck really well and he only had a couple of instances of Naito even going after that body part. This also didn't have the flow or chemistry as their 2011 matches against each other. Like the main event, this had some really good stuff, but it's far too flawed to be anything more than good.
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Rewatched it and I'm not nearly as down on the whole match as I was. I'll possibly post more thoughts later but right now I don't think either man is really any more at fault in this one from preventing it from being a high end MOTYC.
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I think Nakumura/Tanahashi could've been 5 stars if Nakumura sold the leg better.The near falls were great the was a missing element which I think is emotion.The Tanahashi/Okada matches were amazing because of the little things like the facial expressions and Okada's amazing selling.

As for Okada/Naito I absolutely loved the intensity Okada brought,him throwing his elbow pads at Naito and telling him to bring it during the strike exchanges were awesome.Naito didn't do an amazing job of selling his neck so his comeback was half-hearted and lacked emotions.I have to give credit to both guys for that awesome finishing sequence.


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Tana/Nakamura was really good, but really was let down for me by Nakamuras apparent dislike of selling his leg. It'd elevated by some fantastic stuff though, two good control segments (Nakamuras early stuff and then Tanahashi working over the leg), awesome and unique counters and sequences, Nakamura kicking the shit out of Tanahashi and winning all of the strike exchanges fairly easily etc was all really good stuff. But yeah, the selling...just random. There was one point where Tanahashi hit a dragon screw or something and Nakamura just completely blew it off, like, it wasn;t even a fighting spirit no sell spot, it was like he just pretended the sequence they just did didn't even happen at all. Weird because when Tana first started after the leg he was great at the short term selling, writhing in pain, holding the leg etc, then when it's time for his comeback his mind must just go totally blank. He's so talented and just gold in every other aspect, and it isn't even like he can't sell because we've all seen him do it before, it just seems to be the last year he seems to be refusing to do it, and like someone said already, when it's such a focal point of the match like this one, you NEED to sell the leg.

Okada/Naito for the first half was heading towards being fucking great imo, then the second half happened and Naito started doing his stupid submission finisher that nobody even knows exists apparently and the crowd full on dies for big portions of it while Naito was making his comebacks. Still some great spots like Okada getting angry to the extent I've never seen before after Naito starts hitting headbutts, and Okada destroys him on the outside and starts kicking stuff and throwing his elbow pads. Okada had some really good stuff towards the end, the tombstone spots and the Rainmaker set ups etc. I'm going to sound like a complete bias fanboy now but I really don't see how the blame for this being disappointing can be laid on Okada when he was clearly a fuck ton better than Naito here. Wasn't Okada's finest moment, but he was really good as he usually is, came across like the champion at a lot of points and kept things logical and got the crowd back in to the match whenever he would comeback or be in control. It was Naito that didn't sell anything, killed the crowd because you could tell they wanted him to sell at least a little, throw a hand to the neck, take some time...something. Okada sold the neck really well and he only had a couple of instances of Naito even going after that body part. This also didn't have the flow or chemistry as their 2011 matches against each other. Like the main event, this had some really good stuff, but it's far too flawed to be anything more than good.
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And all the others pointing out Naito's selling problems and how Okada truly did the best he could.
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