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post #121 of 483 (permalink) Old 08-12-2013, 12:49 AM
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Ohno looks pretty bad dont get me wrong, but that's not even the problem. I've yet to see this guy put on any sort of interesting match. Maybe I just wasn't watching the Indies in like 05 or something but I'm completely lost on why you guys think he can even wrestle an interesting match. If he could at one point, I think that time has passed.
Some of his FCW matches were pretty good, I saw potential in the guy at that point. Since FCW became NXT though, for whatever reason he's been terrible and seems to have got much worse in every area.



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Storytelling is the most important aspect of wrestling, by far. And appearance is a huge part of storytelling. I couldn't give a fuck what the guys look like as long as it works for them. Ohno's look doesn't work for him, it doesn't suit the gimmick he's trying to play, it doesn't suit his ring style, it doesn't suit anything about him. It's like in movies, there's a difference between 'TV ugly' and 'ugly ugly'. Plenty of the wrestlers on the main roster have 'unconventional' looks, in fact most of the popular stars these days do. But the point is that their looks suit them, they suit who they are and the character they are portraying. Ohno doesn't look like a guy who is supposed to be out of shape, TBH he just looks like a fan. And that isn't a good thing.

Anyway, you've mentioned storytelling and character which Ohno has also completely lacked in NXT, and even his workrate (totally fucking irrelevant to anything) has been way below the other guys on the show so I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make.
I dunno, while I agree he hasn't been a standout on NXT, I just don't think anyone was watching his match with Regal and thinking "Hmmm, this seems really great, but on the other hand, this Ohno fella's a little pudgy."



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I dunno, while I agree he hasn't been a standout on NXT, I just don't think anyone was watching his match with Regal and thinking "Hmmm, this seems really great, but on the other hand, this Ohno fella's a little pudgy."
Can't really comment TBH since I hated that match.



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Re: So yeah about Kassius getting into shape

I'm fine with him actually wanting himself to tone up, but I don't really agree with them wanting a guy to work on his physique when there are a ton of other guys on the MAIN roster who need more work than he does.
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post #125 of 483 (permalink) Old 08-12-2013, 02:41 AM
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This is so ignorant I don't even know where to start. Go read this, written by someone much smarter than I could ever hope to be:

http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~ikal...-wrestling.htm

Get back to me when you're done.
1984? Edited in 1995? Says it all right there. Times have changed.

I'm not Vince McMahon. Forget a "look". Give me interesting character, charisma, personality, ring work, etc. The things that make me care about professional wrestling. Unusual to me on how so many seem to care about something that isn't a concern unless to WWE management & Kassius Ohno himself. If I'm entertained, I couldn't care less about how any worker(s) looked.

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"I'm the best in the world at what I do".
Difference is, Jericho had been on TV for years as an established main event superstar. He could afford to gain a little weight. Ohno, unfortunately, hasn't proved anything yet and doesn't get that luxury.

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1984? Edited in 1995? Says it all right there. Times have changed.

I'm not Vince McMahon. Forget a "look". Give me interesting character, charisma, personality, ring work, etc. The things that make me care about professional wrestling. Unusual to me on how so many seem to care about something that isn't a concern unless to WWE management & Kassius Ohno himself. If I'm entertained, I couldn't care less about how any worker(s) looked.
I know you're not Vince McMahon. Vince McMahon is the guy whose opinion actually matters (along w/ HHH and others). According to the reports, Ohno might have been on TV by now if he had done what his employer told him to do. I don't care how good a guy is (and he hasn't proven to be that great in NXT), if he's not going to show them a sense a loyalty and dedication, it's his own damn fault. They could release him tomorrow and it wouldn't mean a thing. People would bitch here for a week but then he would be an afterthought w/ only himself to blame.

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I don't see how it's any different from Daniel Bryan making Roman Reigns tap out, CM Punk fighting Brock Lesnar while being presented as a legitimate threat to him, or Heath Slater defeating the Great Khali on Smackdown a few weeks back. When I see pictures of Ohno, sure he can work on his physique a little, but it's not the point where him knocking someone out with elbow strikes is beyond the realms of possibility. What makes these guys endearing to the audience or worth their time is all in character and the way their talent is utilized, not necessarily that their bodies look perfectly "toned down". Ridiculous...

Just because you don't have a little bit of fat on your sides doesn't make it any more believable that you can defeat someone who is ten times your size. This really comes off as nitpicking to me.

And yeah, we get it... the WWE is a business! If they want Ohno to work on his body then so be it, I agree he should do it. However, this doesn't mean that the WWE's motives must be commended.
You workrate marks are missing the point. It's all about PSYCHOLOGY which work rate marks have no idea about because DEM KICKS BRUH. I'm not saying a 180 pound man can't beat a 220 pound man. Nor am I saying that a 220 pound can't sell for a 180 pound. But you gotta have the proper psychology. I see matches where fucking Michael Elgin is doing elbow trade off with the likes of Johnny Yuma. Which part of that makes sense? You think in Punk/Lesnar you're gonna see Punk dishing punishment from the get go? No! He's gonna fight from the bottom, look for an opening and then kick ass.

Look, for example, at their brawl on RAW. Sure, CM Punk laid some punches in but for how long? And how much damage did it do Lesnar? Lesnar immediately found his footing and started beating the shit outta Punk. PSYCHOLOGY.

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Difference is, Jericho had been on TV for years as an established main event superstar. He could afford to gain a little weight. Ohno, unfortunately, hasn't proved anything yet and doesn't get that luxury.
The difference is Jericho had some fucking muscle tone. He had MASS. Sure, he was starting to get a little pudgy but look at that definition. Besides, Jericho has dropped all that fat since returning last year.

Honestly, Hero marks need to pull their head out of their asses and stop missing the goddamn point. There's only so many times the same posters can reiterate the same point.

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Re: So yeah about Kassius getting into shape

Wow, Ohno's defenders are making some extremely lame points like comparing wrestlers that have some muscle tone or mass, or wrestlers who are slim but in shape, or wrestlers who are supposed to be immovable objects, behemoths or giants with Ohno.

Ohno has no muscle tone or muscular mass and is flabby. And he's supposed to be a vicious but agile grappler.

Comparing Ohno with Mark Henry, The Miz or CM Punk is extremely ridiculous.
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1984? Edited in 1995? Says it all right there. Times have changed.

I'm not Vince McMahon. Forget a "look". Give me interesting character, charisma, personality, ring work, etc. The things that make me care about professional wrestling. Unusual to me on how so many seem to care about something that isn't a concern unless to WWE management & Kassius Ohno himself. If I'm entertained, I couldn't care less about how any worker(s) looked.
As if looks don't matter to character, charisma and personality...

Looks are very much a concern in wrestling because wrestling is not a real sport. Messi can look like a midget with a weird face because he's the best player in the world. Being a good wrestler is much more than just having long matches with lots of moves. To be able to have great psychology you need a strong character and looks are an integral part of it, even more so in WWE. NXT works so well because you have plenty of different characters and not just a bunch of bland wrestlers in tights working 20 minute matches just for the hell of it.

Ohno's bad physique and overall visual presentation is a reflection of his lack of character, charisma and personality. Compare Ohno to Enzo Amore who is not a really muscular guy but has a great look to fit his character. Whose segment would you rather watch? Enzo's or Ohno putting someone in a cravate for 5 minutes while he yells "ARGHHHH" and makes a mean face?
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post #130 of 483 (permalink) Old 08-12-2013, 10:59 AM
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Re: So yeah about Kassius getting into shape

I don't give a shit about his work, if people like Bo Dallas can be employed then for sure Ohno can, my problem is tht back before his WWE run he looked like this:



Not fat, not big muscly guy, but he was fit, in shape no doubt about it, he looked in shape, in fact I'd argue that this is the best he's looked in his entire career, when he before (in comparison) looked like this:



Obviously he's still in shape, but he just looks so bloated, it's unbelievable, todays Kassius Ohno looks like this:



It's like he's going backwards, where before he wasn't a huge muscly guy, he was still fit, no belly at all but just a fit guy who looked so good, now it's like he's back to being that bloated pudgy guy again, I personally doesn't care if he builds muscle, no need for that, don't wanna get big and jacked, hey more power to you for making it like that, but man, at least get rid of the pudgy fat thing that's going on right now, it makes you looks lazy.
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