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Old 04-27-2013, 07:25 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Just because it says WWE is signing "Indy Talents" doesn't mean that it will be the top indy guys that most here overrate. Technically, a wrestler who has a match as his local national guard armory is an Indy Talent. Now if the guy or gal has 0 experiance then I guess they aren't an "Indy Talent".

As far as roster cuts go I'm shocked to but, I wonder how much holding on to some of the guys and girls especially ones like Camacho who has potential and could easily be repackaged (think Skip Shefffeld to Ryback) has to do with not wanting them in TNA?

Half of the people signed will never make the full-time roster in WWE also. The point is to get them in the system and try to develop them into a full-time roster member. If a particurlar worker doesn't work out they'll get released and one to the next one.
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:57 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Just because it says WWE is signing "Indy Talents" doesn't mean that it will be the top indy guys that most here overrate. Technically, a wrestler who has a match as his local national guard armory is an Indy Talent. Now if the guy or gal has 0 experiance then I guess they aren't an "Indy Talent".

As far as roster cuts go I'm shocked to but, I wonder how much holding on to some of the guys and girls especially ones like Camacho who has potential and could easily be repackaged (think Skip Shefffeld to Ryback) has to do with not wanting them in TNA?

Half of the people signed will never make the full-time roster in WWE also. The point is to get them in the system and try to develop them into a full-time roster member. If a particurlar worker doesn't work out they'll get released and one to the next one.
I'm not too sure what you're talking about. They aren't signing "indie talents" as some kind of abstract notion, or some kind of future promise, we know each and every person they sign, and they've been regularly signing indie guys since 2011. Jon Moxley, Tyler Black, Claudio Castagnoli, Chris Hero, El Generico, PAC, Brodie Lee, Sami Callihan, Sara Del Rey, these are all well known top indie wrestlers, and before them Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, etc, too.

There have only been a few little known indie wrestler signings, like Sterling James Keenan or Davina Rose. The whole point of these indie signings is they are signing the standouts, who tend to be th top of their indie promotions. If they are experienced standouts, there will be very little development needed, they already know their strengths.
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Okada is not an indie wrestler, he's one of the top guys in NJPW, that's a national promotion.
And neither is Prince Devitt technically, but neither of those guys are in WWE which is what most people who have never seen/heard of NJPW watch. Therefore to them those guys are independant wrestlers, and this is mostly a list of guys I think WWE should sign based on a combo of talent and age.
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And neither is Prince Devitt technically, but neither of those guys are in WWE which is what most people who have never seen/heard of NJPW watch. Therefore to them those guys are independant wrestlers, and this is mostly a list of guys I think WWE should sign based on a combo of talent and age.
My point is NJPW's main guys are under multi-year contracts, just like WWE guys, for example Okada's current contract with NJPW lasts until the end of 2014. While there's more inter-promotion between Japan's major companies than the US ones, most of those major ones are locked out from WWE getting them, like most TNA talent.

Assuming Okada is the ace in NJPW by the end of 2014 (taking over from Tanahashi), WWE would have to offer a Lesnar sized contract and guaranteed push to him to get him to sign with them over resigning to NJPW, given how Asian wrestlers have been treated in WWE.

Folks like Callihan wrestle for many indie promotions, they can finish up their dates anytime to come to WWE if they're being signed.
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My point is NJPW's main guys are under multi-year contracts, just like WWE guys, for example Okada's current contract with NJPW lasts until the end of 2014. While there's more inter-promotion between Japan's major companies than the US ones, most of those major ones are locked out from WWE getting them, like most TNA talent.

Assuming Okada is the ace in NJPW by the end of 2014 (taking over from Tanahashi), WWE would have to offer a Lesnar sized contract and guaranteed push to him to get him to sign with them over resigning to NJPW, given how Asian wrestlers have been treated in WWE.

Folks like Callihan wrestle for many indie promotions, they can finish up their dates anytime to come to WWE if they're being signed.
Well I suppose I should have said what I said beside Prince Devitt on the list for Okada, but I figured it was still worth placing him on that list if WWE ever got a chance at nabbing him. That's actually a great sign that his current contract is up in 2014! I think with HHH at the helm there is a pretty decent chance they go after someone to be their top asian star. With the money wrestlers can make in NJPW and the treatment they get, you're right, it may be difficult for HHH to scoop up Okada; but guys like Shingo, BxB Hulk, and Masato Yoshino, should be available. I think if WWE can't pull Okada away from NJPW then picking up Shingo and giving him a gimmick like what Tensai should have been complete with a manager would work out well.
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Well I suppose I should have said what I said beside Prince Devitt on the list for Okada, but I figured it was still worth placing him on that list if WWE ever got a chance at nabbing him. That's actually a great sign that his current contract is up in 2014! I think with HHH at the helm there is a pretty decent chance they go after someone to be their top asian star. With the money wrestlers can make in NJPW and the treatment they get, you're right, it may be difficult for HHH to scoop up Okada; but guys like Shingo, BxB Hulk, and Masato Yoshino, should be available. I think if WWE can't pull Okada away from NJPW then picking up Shingo and giving him a gimmick like what Tensai should have been complete with a manager would work out well.
They'd have to completely revamp their whole company by then. It's in dire need of it, but whether it happens remains to be seen. It won't happen under Vince that's for sure. Look at how poorly put together WWE's TV is, and Vince has hundreds of employees, millions of dollars, 6 hours of TV a week, and primetime TV slots with monthly PPVs. If they want someone like Okada, they'd better starting totally revamping how their company works.

Putting an emphasis back on wrestling, establishing proper divisions and demographics (you want to appeal to female fans? don't do bad romance stories, create a trye Divas division with nothing held back), having Okada as a major star would up your appeal in Japan, a major wrestling country, for instance, without making him some kind of weak characicature, and use their TV time to its fullest to make all these divisons and demographics strong and worthwhile. WWE is run like a playhouse for Vince right now, not a global, publicly traded entertainment corporation.
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They'd have to completely revamp their whole company by then. It's in dire need of it, but whether it happens remains to be seen. It won't happen under Vince that's for sure. Look at how poorly put together WWE's TV is, and Vince has hundreds of employees, millions of dollars, 6 hours of TV a week, and primetime TV slots with monthly PPVs. If they want someone like Okada, they'd better starting totally revamping how their company works.

Putting an emphasis back on wrestling, establishing proper divisions and demographics (you want to appeal to female fans? don't do bad romance stories, create a trye Divas division with nothing held back), having Okada as a major star would up your appeal in Japan, a major wrestling country, for instance, without making him some kind of weak characicature, and use their TV time to its fullest to make all these divisons and demographics strong and worthwhile. WWE is run like a playhouse for Vince right now, not a global, publicly traded entertainment corporation.
Well said and with what I've been seeing the past year with NXT and the usage of guys like Punk, the Shield, Bryan and Cesaro (not lately); I'm pretty confident that HHH will handle thing the right way. I think Okada could do amazing things with a badass gimmick similar to Hakushi.
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Well...there IS something special about them, that's why the WWE signs them. They're not going to sign an indie guy that they think will not amount to anything, it's a waste of money. Folks like CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Dean Ambrose, Antonio Cesaro or El Generico, they DO have something special, it's the reason they were big on the indies, and it's the reason they'll be (or are) big in the WWE, if given the chance.
But there's also many other guys from other companies who were great but either just couldn't make it in WWE. I'm not saying guys won't be able to have success in WWE, but I mean that everyone thinks that because a guy is a main eventer in some independent league, he has main event potential in WWE.

Sure the guys you listed have big potentials in WWE, but there's alot more guys in the other companies that people act like are on the same level as the Cenas,Ortons,Punks,Takers of the WWE.

Like I said about sports, that'd be like someone acting like just cause a guy in some european league got 100 points, he'll get 100 points in the NHL and be better than Stamkos,Crosby,Ovechkin.
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Any whispers on the Alex Shelley front? It's been quiet for a while but wondering if they will eventually give him a try. Sucks that the proposed cruiserweight show for the new network probably won't see the light of day (at least till 2014/2015).
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Any whispers on the Alex Shelley front? It's been quiet for a while but wondering if they will eventually give him a try. Sucks that the proposed cruiserweight show for the new network probably won't see the light of day (at least till 2014/2015).
Shelley is currently in NJPW right now and is one half of the IWGP junior tag team champions with Kushida and is having great success there so I don't see why he'd leave.

If they don't have the cruiserweight show, I'd scrap the US title, bring back the Cruiserweight title and use the first hour of raw to focus on the lower card and mid card instead of touts and recaps
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