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Old 02-28-2013, 11:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default The Kassius Ohno we are seeing right now is not Reflective of his potential!

Before coming to the WWE and being thrust into NXT, Kassius Ohno (Chris Hero) was basically the king of IWA as their top face and most cheered wrestler, and in ROH he was very similar to Chris Jericho but taller with loads of catchphrases to get the crowd involved, and the right amount of confidence to become a larger than life character. So make no mistake about it, the Kassius Ohno we are seeing in NXT right now barely resembles the Chris Hero that wowed many in ROH.

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How about a passionate promo with no catchphrases to prove he can do it!

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And lastly check out his epic ROH theme song and moveset


Ohno, when he's on, is one of the best wrestlers in the world, and proved it countless times in IWA and ROH. He'll prove it to most doubters once he gets the call to RAW or Smackdown as well, but, in NXT, I sense that he's bored and holding back considerably. I think it's a rather reasonable assertion to make as well since we have access to all his previous work and can see how much more motivated he was there. It's difficult to pinpoint exactly why he's not the same as it could be difficulty transitioning to the wwe style, feeling he shouldn't be in NXT, or having to alter his gimmick and character? It may be a combination of all of them but here's how I would fix it!

In my opinion, the biggest problem with Ohno is the new gimmick he has! He should never be a vicious heel, and is at his strongest when he's a clean cut cocky heel/cool face similar to jericho with catchphrases, charismatic delivery, and mohammad ali esque mannerisms. That is how to use him properly.

Just let the man be "That young knockout kid" and problem solved!
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I guess developmental talents probably have a lot of input if not total creative control over their characters, so some if not all of the blame really has to lie at Ohno's feet. If he felt he would be more effective in a different role or with a different character then I'm pretty sure they would let him try it out.
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I guess developmental talents probably have a lot of input if not total creative control over their characters, so some if not all of the blame really has to lie at Ohno's feet. If he felt he would be more effective in a different role or with a different character then I'm pretty sure they would let him try it out.
You know that is a very high possibility, and if it's true and Ohno has that much input, then someone in the back really needs to sit the man down and tell him, "Dude stop what you're doing because you're nothing like the talented Chris Hero we scouted and signed from ROH, and look way out of your comfort zone. Switch it up and bring that guy back!"
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If he feels he doesnt deserve to be in NXT, surely he should be proving it then?

I like Hero, but before the british ambition tag match the only match I actually remember enjoying of his in nxt or fcw was vs Cesaro and even then it wasn't exactly stellar. Hero does need to adapt because all of his great matches gave him a lot of time to work his character into them and he can't expect to get into those spots without paying his dues. If he learns to work super bossy short matches like Cesaro then great. He'll probably be called up eventually but I can't see him doing well from his body of work within the WWE. Regal feud they've been hinting towards in NXT could be nice, feels like they're just trying to recreate the Ambrose thing though.

Plus his shape isn't the best. I'm not that bothered but it probably is something WWE takes into consideration, especially when he's not exactly standing out via his ring work.
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If he feels he doesnt deserve to be in NXT, surely he should be proving it then?

I like Hero, but before the british ambition tag match the only match I actually remember enjoying of his in nxt or fcw was vs Cesaro and even then it wasn't exactly stellar. Hero does need to adapt because all of his great matches gave him a lot of time to work his character into them and he can't expect to get into those spots without paying his dues. If he learns to work super bossy short matches like Cesaro then great. He'll probably be called up eventually but I can't see him doing well from his body of work within the WWE. Regal feud they've been hinting towards in NXT could be nice, feels like they're just trying to recreate the Ambrose thing though.

Plus his shape isn't the best. I'm not that bothered but it probably is something WWE takes into consideration, especially when he's not exactly standing out via his ring work.
Yes, this! Exactly this!

If wants the call up then he should work harder for it!

His matches on NXT so far have been very mediocre. Slow, dull, plodding and repetitive. I've seen some of his indy work and he's good, but it hasn't translated at all in the WWE. He's just very boring to watch right now. Honestly, point me to a good Kassius Ohno match on NXT or FCW. Show me one which is good. At best the match will be average midcard stuff.

As for a gimmick change, he should pitch one. It's developmental. I'm sure at this stage they would be willing to give it a try.

I don't know what's wrong with him but if it's a problem of ethic then he should leave the WWE. The company doesn't need more wastrels.


Thos promos though, those were pretty good. He's got a Randy Savage, BIllyGraham, Ric Flair kind of style, in that he makes a lot of grandiose statements and speaks very fluidly. Not bad actually, not bad at all. I would like to see something like that.
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He should do a pothead/hippie gimmick.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:20 PM   #7 (permalink)
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He should do a pothead/hippie gimmick.
To me it's not a question of his promos or ability to speak. He's rather funny and seems comfortable so any gimmick that accentuates that is fine by me.

It's his in ring work that bothers me. It's not living up the hype. Sure, WWE limits move sets, but it hasn't stopped Punk and Bryan from having good matches. Sheamus doesn't have their indy experience and he still has good matches. Cesaro has tremendous matches.

WWE limits the amount of moves you can do and dangerous ones are banned, but it hasn't stopped a lot of these guys from having good matches. Kassius Ohno isn't impressing me in the ring and it's disappointing.
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If he feels he doesnt deserve to be in NXT, surely he should be proving it then?

I like Hero, but before the british ambition tag match the only match I actually remember enjoying of his in nxt or fcw was vs Cesaro and even then it wasn't exactly stellar. Hero does need to adapt because all of his great matches gave him a lot of time to work his character into them and he can't expect to get into those spots without paying his dues. If he learns to work super bossy short matches like Cesaro then great. He'll probably be called up eventually but I can't see him doing well from his body of work within the WWE. Regal feud they've been hinting towards in NXT could be nice, feels like they're just trying to recreate the Ambrose thing though.

Plus his shape isn't the best. I'm not that bothered but it probably is something WWE takes into consideration, especially when he's not exactly standing out via his ring work.
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Yes, this! Exactly this!

If wants the call up then he should work harder for it!

His matches on NXT so far have been very mediocre. Slow, dull, plodding and repetitive. I've seen some of his indy work and he's good, but it hasn't translated at all in the WWE. He's just very boring to watch right now. Honestly, point me to a good Kassius Ohno match on NXT or FCW. Show me one which is good. At best the match will be average midcard stuff.

As for a gimmick change, he should pitch one. It's developmental. I'm sure at this stage they would be willing to give it a try.

I don't know what's wrong with him but if it's a problem of ethic then he should leave the WWE. The company doesn't need more wastrels.


Thos promos though, those were pretty good. He's got a Randy Savage, BIllyGraham, Ric Flair kind of style, in that he makes a lot of grandiose statements and speaks very fluidly. Not bad actually, not bad at all. I would like to see something like that.
Great insightful posts you two! As I mentioned before, I honestly believe someone needs to sit his ass down and tell him to "stop wasting time and be the Kassius Ohno we know you can be, or else you'll be cut by the summer"

He needs to have that fire lit under his ass, and he needs to settle on a good moveset to use in wwe. With the littany of moves he's perfomed in his career this shouldn't be an issue at all, so why does it seem to be? Is WWE stripping him down and telling what he can't and can use/do? Or is that all Ohno's doing? These are questions that need to be answered and solutions need to be proposed and executed afterwards.
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Not the best promo guy in the World, but his in ring ability should be a mainstream WWE superstar alone.
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Great insightful posts you two! As I mentioned before, I honestly someone needs to sit his ass down and tell him to "stop wasting time and be the Kassius Ohno we know you can be, or else you'll be cut by the summer"

He needs to have that fire lit under his ass, and he needs to settle on a good moveset to use in wwe. With the littany of moves he's perfomed in his career this shouldn't be an issue at all, so why does it seem to be? Is WWE stripping him down and telling what he can't and can use/do? Or is that all Ohno's doing? These are questions that need to be answered and solutions need to be proposed and executed afterwards.
You make a good point. Who's in charge of NXT right now? Dusty? Skinner? Either one, they should tell him what's wrong and what's right with his current act.

Trust me, I don't want him to get fired. I like what I saw on this videos you just showed us, it shows me that this guy does have actual talent. I've seen some of his matches as well on ROH and once again, they were rather good. What he's doing in the WWE right now just isn't working.

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/...vince-mcmahon/

Now these are just dirtsheet rumours, so you can't always trust them, but this makes sense. I think WWE knows he is talented, but he needs to change up parts of his current work before they bring him up.

He's a healthy, agile guy. I'm sure he can wait a few months improving before WWE brings him up.
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