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oh my, great European style match between Kassius Ohno and William Regal. That was brilliant! Great selling, psychology, mat technique, WOW!!!!! Highly recommend every fan of in ring wrestling to watch this match. Shit. Regal still has it, one of the best in ring workers on the roster even today.
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I don't get the praise. It was sloppy and plodding. Good selling, they knew their psychology well, but it made it hard to get invested in the match, they doddered around the ring for most of the match. I've always disliked that European style. Nowhere near as brutal and stiff as people are making it out to be. I expected something stiff and a real slobber-knocker and I didn't get that, hold after hold after hold.

This is why I can't get into Kassius Ohno's work. He's got nothing on Cesaro or his other ROH alumni pals. He's so slow in the ring, and while he's technically sound I don't get any sense of emotional connection to what he's doing because he's so damn boring! For what it was it was decent, nowhere near as good as people are making it out to be. Just because a match goes on for 13 minutes doesn't make it good! I liked they they were selling the finger damage, that was different, it looked real and it was a mix up from the usual, but the match had such poor pacing I couldn't enjoy it too much.

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I don't like Ohno but he was good in the match. Not to the level of Regal but it wasn't a carry job by any means. He sold the offense well, the spot with him putting his fingers back was great, the effect it had on his holds later in the match was a nice touch, and his strikes looked very good. That's always been his strong point but his kicks in particular seemed very effective, which coupled with Regals selling was a nice visual. Whether he can keep this up is another question, but at least he's shown what he's capable of in a WWE ring.

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I don't get the praise. It was sloppy and plodding. Good selling, they knew their psychology well, but it made it hard to get invested in the match, they doddered around the ring for most of the match. I've always disliked that European style. Nowhere near as brutal and stiff as people are making it out to be. I expected something stiff and a real slobber-knocker and I didn't get that, hold after hold after hold.

This is why I can't get into Kassius Ohno's work. He's got nothing on Cesaro or his other ROH alumni pals. He's so slow in the ring, and while he's technically sound I don't get any sense of emotional connection to what he's doing because he's so damn boring! For what it was it was decent, nowhere near as good as people are making it out to be. Just because a match goes on for 13 minutes doesn't make it good! I liked they they were selling the finger damage, that was different, it looked real and it was a mix up from the usual, but the match had such poor pacing I couldn't enjoy it too much.
The match was supposed to be slow. I get not liking the match but it wasn't about hitting move after move. I thought it was perfectly paced so that the emotion could build towards the end.
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but the match had such poor pacing I couldn't enjoy it too much.
That's fine, the European style isn't for everybody. That's what they do over there. they kind of work each other in a very slow paced exchange of submission holds. But it is all psychological and works extremely well. Personally for me it was an acquired taste as I tend to like more high flying moves in matches as well as a few powerbombs and stuff. But you've got to at least admire how skillful they are at their craft if nothing else.
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That's fine, the European style isn't for everybody. That's what they do over there. they kind of work each other in a very slow paced exchange of submission holds. But it is all psychological and works extremely well. Personally for me it was an acquired taste as I tend to like more high flying moves in matches as well as a few powerbombs and stuff. But you've got to at least admire how skillful they are at their craft if nothing else.
I watch a lot of puroresu so I don't mind slow pacing or stiff wrestling but this wrestling style just didn't click and honestly I don't think this would go over all that well with more casual and younger fans anyway. At least with puroresu they add a dramatic flair and have great finishing sequences. This didn't even have that.

I mean this was painfully slow. Wolfe didn't pace his matches like this. He used a lot of holds but it would always build up to a good finish, something strong and explosive.

With Regal and Ohno they had holds and strikes nearly the entire match and I was hoping it would build towards a good finish but even that fell flat. Maybe it was the style, maybe this is further proof Ohno can't hang with the big leagues, maybe it was Regal's age, who knows, but this was average. Regal's always been rather sloppy and flailing when he's in the ring but I thought with a former student the match could be something good, but no, it just got slower and slower before a lacklustre finish.

And Ohno didn't build any heat on himself. Regal manhandled him through almost the entire match. Part of wrestling psychology among heels and faces is building some form of heat on the heel or at least getting some kind of support on the faces. That didn't happen either. Ohno came across as a chump who couldn't hang with washed up old man. Hell, that's certainly the case in real life, so maybe the story they were communicating made some sense.

I enjoyed the selling, as Shepard said basing some offence around the fingers was a cool touch and came across as very gritty and real, but selling can't save a match.

I want to like Kassius Ohno because I enjoyed what I once saw from him but right now he's a stale, crusty bagel. He's Kaval 2.0. An over hyped indy star who clearly can't cut it. I can't believe WWE is actually considering bringing him up. He's nowhere near ready. No one on NXT has given a damn about him since Steamboat disappeared. Why waste time giving this guy the spotlight when Kruger, Wyatt, Graves, Bronson, Harper and even Bo frigging Dallas of all people have shown more charisma and life than he has.

Best NXT match ever? Match of the Year for WWE? Solid affair, but not either of those.


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Regal's work on the fingers, Ohno's selling of the fingers, that finishing sequence, the brutality, seeing both men collapsed on the mat, mid-match. I could watch that shit all day. What. A. Match.

I hope there's a rematch somewhere down the line ala the Ambrose feud. I also hope that Regal gets back into the ring more regurarly. There's still so much that he can offer. Even if it's just wrestling on NXT. I'd actually almost prefer that, because he'll be given the time he deserves.

REGAL VS. CESARO NEEDS TO HAPPEN!

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Regal's work on the fingers, Ohno's selling of the fingers, that finishing sequence, the brutality, seeing both men collapsed on the mat, mid-match. I could watch that shit all day. What. A. Match.

I hope there's a rematch somewhere down the line ala the Ambrose feud. I also hope that Regal gets back into the ring more regurarly. There's still so much that he can offer. Even if it's just wrestling on NXT. I'd actually almost prefer that, because he'll be given the time he deserves.

REGAL VS. CESARO NEEDS TO HAPPEN!
That match would actually be good. I would like to see that.

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Just coming on her to say that is the best match I've seen from the WWE for a long, long time, at least since Punk Vs Bryan. I actually thought it was even better than Regal Vs Ambrose. Absolutely fantastic psychology from both, no wasted movement, every single thing either of them did contributed to the story of the match. Just staggeringly good. I can't believe how good Regal still is. He deserves a big sending off match at Wrestlemania like Flair got. Maybe with Ambrose, Bryan or Punk?

I'd book him in a Career Vs World Heavyweight Championship match. Obviously I'd have the wily old bastard win, and then be taken out of commission permanently by someone like Ambrose on the next day's RAW. But hey, I don't book teh matches.


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I'm surprised they never did a major William Regal vs Daniel Bryan feud. Student vs Teacher. Since they can't do Daniel Bryan vs HBK this would be the obvious choice.
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