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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
http://www.pwinsider.com/article/67...nfronts-mick-foley-in-wrestlemania-hotel.html

The following video has leaked online, although as to what the purpose is, I can't yet tell you. It features Mick Foley being confronted for what "his generation" did to the wrestling business by WWE developmental talent Dean Ambrose, who had a dark match last night at the Raw taping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZcwPGLqQ9I

A bit of an odd one. Is this legit beef Ambrose has with Foley or worked? If it's the latter then can we read into it that Ambrose will be moving up to the main roster pretty sharpish? Seems a bit too random.

Could Ambrose get onto the main roster and straight into a feud with Foley?

(ps, apologies if thread has already been created, I can't see any threads in the General WWE section due to forum problems)


EDIT: Here is a great recap of the feud so far for those that don't want to read through 20+ pages of us all marking out like little kids. Credit to Beatles123 for this:

Look on the first page.

It started with that vid. Since then, he's been trying to make Foley be exposed as the cause of, as he puts it, "A lost generation" trying to emulate Foley and getting hurt, as well as Dean himself. He had been through countless deathmatches in CZW and injured his body, as well as seeing his friends not survive because of it.

He has posted vids of people injuring themselves doing backyard wrestling and such, as well as posting pica of his scarred body and making it known that he was being told by WWE to go home when he was arriving to debut because of Foley. He feels he's holding him down like HE'S a criminal when Foley is the same thing.

Foley does not want any part of it because Ambrose would not show him respect and not mention his children. in addition to Regal telling Mick to be careful due to his psychological mindgames, Ambrose counters by saying he never did mention them, but Foley IS blinding them to reality. Foley says he can't get into this like Cactus Jack did in 1995 with his "Cane Dewy" promo. not at his age and not with someone he feels can seriously take liberties in the ring. Ambrose mournes the loss of Foley's "Testicular Fortitude" and calls him, in terms he can understand, "The cowardly lion of WWE"

To be continued...
 
#3,213 ·
I think he really needs to feud with Ryback.
Think about it, Ryback is getting over but he needs to go beyond the winning streak and become a bankable star who can do more than squash matches. In a weird way, he needs to lose in order to succeed.
The key is to lose to someone who the fans can accept as being his equal, and Ambrose - if allowed free rein - can play that role.
The feud between an unstoppable monster and an illogical lunatic would drive people nuts. And whilst many of you say that the PG rating will hobble Ambrose, I must direct you back to 1996.
1996 was a bad year for the WWE, it was coming off one of the worst title runs in history and had a number of awful gimmicks, it was losing the ratings war and was in real danger.
Enter Mankind. And without a swearword and nary a drop of blood, he gave the fans one of the greatest, toughest feuds in history.

I firmly believe that Ambrose can do the same and Ryback is the man to pair him against.
 
#3,219 ·
I just watched a few of his videos on youtube...all i can say is....JOBBER.

He's a poor man's Piper...and Piper was a jobber most of his career.

WWE will never let his character be as evil as it needs to be to get over.

He doesnt have the build of a superstar.

WWE needs new talent...i just dont see it in Ambrose.
 
#3,220 ·
You watched a few videos as in promos? Because if promos and microphone work have anything to do with what route a superstar takes, he is going straight to the top.

Poor man's Piper? They are both completely different.

He doesn't have the build of a superstar? He's bigger than Daniel Bryan who's a former World Heavyweight Champion, Chris Jericho who is a former WWE Champion, World Heavyweight Champion and first ever WWE Undisputed Champion, CM Punk who is currently the WWE Champion, Shawn Michaels who is a hall of famer and one of the greatest to grace the ring.

But I'm not going to argue with you, you have your opinions. I just hope he ends up proving you completely wrong.
 
#3,227 · (Edited)
Ambrose needs to be a twisted, demented, phsychotic evil mastermind.

That's why I would introduce him as the power behind Nexus.. Could tie up a lot of loose ends, especially the match him and Punk had at this FCW house show.


Look at the subtle stuff, like the black and yellow ropes (Nexus). The fans doing commentary in the background talking about how Punk/Jericho are the real best in the world. Odd coincidence. Especially because this was before Jericho came back. That, and the video quality is again, unusually good.

The booker inside me wants Ambrose to win the WWE spinner title and smash it akin to what happened with the winged eagle/hardcore championship.. Would be brilliant.
 
#3,240 ·
▲E.;12150272 said:
You ever thought about writing for WWE in the future at some point? This is some great stuff, and who cares if it's an essay; it's a good read that gets me really gets me excited about Ambrose's potential..

In the few months I've posted frequently on WF, I've noticed that nobody understands how to sell a wrestling story. Not only can you do that, but it sounds like you know a thing or two on how to be successful in the WWE.
Many people on WF don't truly understand wrestling,period. they think they do and they go around using wrestling jargon without its proper application. Most of them are victims of nostalgia and compare everything to the attitude era when things should be allowed to stand on their own merits.

We are going through a transitional period right now, same as pre attitude, wrestling isn't part of mainstream culture right now but everything comes in waves and trends are often cyclical.

I don't write as a profession or as a form of study, i'm actually an Illustrator, I draw. I'm also training to be a wrestler so I find both the storytelling aspects of illustration and wrestling marry rather nicely.
 
#3,246 ·
Lol... What is going on here Fellas? :vince2

claiming that Ambrose looks like a jobber....ahahahaha...he's 6'4" ffs! not to mention he has become pretty buff since coming to the WWE.

I don't see why him facing Ryback is unrealistic. Ryback's push into main event territory is temporary due to the WWE having the need to fall back on a back up plan and the lack of main event faces means Ryback was the only available option. If Cena was fit and well Ryback would still be beating jobbers. Sure, one day it might be a more permanent position for him but just not right now and when that time comes I hope to see Ambrose being top heel. I know one thing, Ambrose will slaughter him on the mic, and with him being taller than Ryback, he will look like a legitimate threat.

Some people just love to hate and I pity them...same as all the AJ haters. She is one of the best things to happen to the divas division yet everyone shits on her. Some people just feed off their own negativity and hate rather than looking at the positives. For example, I don't like Ryback purely cause I don't think he can handle a 30 min match (where as Ambrose can with ease) but I hope he does well, cause he provides a change from "CCCEEEEEENNNNNAAAAAAAA" and could be a catalyst for change. this whole debacle has made the WWE brass think of its future for a change. but anyway, I digress...

Ambrose is part of the future of the WWE, not its entirety but a big part. He has great wrestling ability (something about Ambrose that people overlook a lot, usually because his promos are so good that it overshadows his ring work), great understanding of in ring psychology (the main reason why Bryan has succeeded is for the same reason), great intensity and is gold on the mic. He has what it takes to be successful. The rest is up to him but his achievements in the indys should speak for themselves...and before anyone rags on the indies...that's where the future is because they can come to the WWE fully trained with years of experience under their belt, its far more beneficial to the WWE and in turn for us, the viewer. Look at NXT, many of them are from the Indy scene and they harbor some of the best talent we have seen in ages.

anyway sorry for the essay, just had to get that off my chest...
You are god damn right girl. :) (Y) I love you.

Haha, that's my video!!! Didn't expect to see it posted here.

as you heard in the vid, I'm very stoked its in.
Sir, you are awesome and made my day with this.
Also, Eddie is right. We are the master marks.
 
#3,251 · (Edited)
Haha I'm 6'4 and I'm certainly not a midget...

When everyone gives "Eddie" props, I think it's about me... Haha my actual name is Edward (Eddie) Anthony, but I've always thought if I got into wrestling (strong possibility, being that I'm already 6'4" 225) I'd use the name Anthony Edwards...

People always get my first and last name mixed up... At the doctor, dentist, you name it...
 
#3,254 · (Edited)
Ryback is the same height as punk(6'1-even though ryback is blled as 6'3" its an obvious lie) where as Ambrose is a bit taller (6'4") so of course its possible. Ambrose is much bigger than ryback, even if he doesn't look like every muscle has been systematically filled with water but Ambrose is quite wide and he has buffed up A LOT. there are pics on this forum to show it...not that it even matters as a smaller guy could take down a larger guy with the right offense...its just having the skill to pull it off, hence why Bryan is so good. he makes defeating everyone plausable by varying his strategies.

you clearly have no idea who or what you are talking about. Ambrose is supposed to be a sadistic monster that does not stop. What a great way to build two new guys. Ryback, a machine of a man and Ambrose, a maniac with skills to put away anyone.

Ryback hasn't earned shit yet anyway, he's only facing punk out of sheer luck due to Cena's injury. if it wasn't for Cena bowing out then Ryback would still be crushing jobbers and low card hacks. Ryback could fuck it up for himself come HIAC, I don't think he can handle a 30 min match especially in a cell, its a lot to ask of a man that hasn't had one meaningful PPV match under normal circumstances.
 
#3,309 ·
Ambrose has buffed up in the upper body area. Nothing too noticable but a good improvement. But feuding him against Ryback right off the bat is a bad idea. First off, I doubt Ambrose is truly 6'4". 2nd, even if Ambrose has buffed up, he still doesn't look like a guy that would be able to beat Ryback before he has even debuted. Hell, CM Punk doesn't look like guy who could beat Ryback, but he's been in WWE for 6 years, he's established as one of the WWE's best, and he's been champ for about a year.

Besides, it's bad idea b/c neither man could afford to lose momentum so early in their careers. Why would they put a guy who they are very high on to be the next big star in Ryback against another guy they are high on in Ambrose? One of them would go up and one of them would go down. Maybe a year or two when both men are established this feud could work, but not now.

Mankind took out Undertaker on HIS FIRST NIGHT IN THE COMPANY.
It can work. And for the fans to accept Ryback, he has to lose. But by losing to someone booked as equally unstoppable it won't affect his reputation.

Look at history, wrestlers with the undefeated streak inevitably hit a slump as soon as they have to job. This is a great way of stopping that, pushing both Ryback and Ambrose and giving fans a hard hitting feud - free from the title scene - that will appeal to mature audiences tired of clean cut faces and heels.

Both are exciting new talents, both have great potential, both should be given the chance to show what they can do.
How the hell can you compare Mick Foley pre-WWE and Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose pre-WWE?! How old are you, 15 or something? You're talking about a guy who had been in WCW for 3 years and spent time in ECW who were a lot bigger than any of the indies Moxley has worked for. You're talking about Mick Foley, a guy who 4 years before even debuting in WWF, had wrestled STING on WCW pay-per-view. You also forgetting his texas death match with Vader in the MAIN EVENT at Halloween Havoc in 1993?

I literally cannot believe you'd be stupid enough to compare Mick Foley pre-WWE with Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose. When Mick debuted as Mankind people knew he was, it's not like when Ambrose debuts and only internet fans will know who he is. I'd understand your argument more if Moxley had been relatively over in TNA (even then would still be ludicrous to compare WCW/ECW to TNA, but at least somewhat understandable) but the guy hasn't been on TV before, LET ALONE PPV.

As for Ryback losing, as I previously said, the perfect person for him to lose to/get taken out by would be Brock.
New year new start wins this argument. Foley was a well established star when he came to WWE. He was worhty of a debut feud against Taker. Ambrose isn't that established at all. Plus, it wouldn't be smart to put two relatively newcomers against each other b/c one would lose their momentum. I'm not saying WWE isn't going to debut Ambrose on a high note or in a high profile storyline. They were going to debut him against Mick Foley, a future HOF and a legend. It's obvious their high on him. I've been saying for months to debut him against Kane b/c Kane is an established star, it wouldn't hurt him to take the loss, and their characters mesh well together. But for reasons, stated above, debuting him against Ryback would be a bad move for everyone involved.


Apologise for those statements and I'll respond to you.
It's the internet buddy. Asking for an apology is like asking Tyron Lannister to say something nice about Jeff Hardy or like asking Sunny to not get arrested for the next month. It's not going to happen.

i just cant wait till this guy debuts,

dean ambrose is the only superstar on the planet i would accept seeing end the undertakers wrestlemania streak
To quote the Miz, "Really?". You wouldn't accept seeing Cena, Punk, Orton, Brock, maybe even Sting ending the streak, but you would accept a guy who hasn't even debuted yet.

fpalm

I actually think that Ambrose ending the streak would be a good idea.

On his first match, he could end Ryback's streak. Then, I would wait until WrestleMania (which would be his first PPV) where he would destroy the Undertaker. Then I would feed Sting to him.
They should debut him as The Undertaker's mystery opponent at 'Mania, he should take the streak by making Taker tap. After this he should interfere in the rest of the matches destroying Punk, Ryback, Cena, Lesnar, Sheamus and The Rock and then cut one of his legendary promos to end Mania. This would be awesome.
You guys are joking right? Please tell me you're joking. This guy would be the next Alberto Del Rio if this happened. The guy w/ all the talent in the world that accomplished way too much way too soon.
 
#3,255 ·
Here's a Hell in the Cell debut scenario I came up with. Since he's been saying the WWE has been afraid to put him on tv at house shows, he should carry this over into his debut. Have him hide under the ring during the main event and have him crawl out and destroy both Ryback and Punk, eventually handcuffing both to the ropes. This essentially leads to Ryback saving face a bit, because the match would end in a no decision type of scenario. Meanwhile, the cell is locked, and there is always a cameraman inside the cell, so he beats the shit out of the cameraman and steals the camera from him. Ambrose adds another padlock to the cage door that only he has the key for, so as to buy himself some time. Then he cuts a promo into the camera he's stolen about how the WWE officials are afraid of him and refuse to put him on tv, because of their PG nonsense, but now they have no choice put to pay attention to him, because he's hijacked one of their precious PPV's. Eventually they manage to raise the cage up and he hightails it out of the area into the crowd still holding onto the camera. On Raw he can take over the production truck and lock himself in with the camera he has, so that he can cut a promo again. In this case he spouts off about how he didn't want the guys in the production truck to try and shut him up by cutting to commercial, so he decided to take the production of Raw into his own hands. This goes on for a few weeks until they have no choice but to give him a match.
 
#3,256 ·
Perfect, except we're talking about WWE 2012 where they think inside the box instead of outside of it. This is just too good to happen.
 
#3,258 ·
Love it! :)
Especially your style looks nice!

I had the idea to draw a pic of Ambrose every day until he debuts (and I know it would maybe be 100/200/300 days) because I have to improve my skills in draw men. But my scanner doesn't work anymore and I have no money for another one right now. And no Grafik Tablet. So... no daily Ambrose drawing. xD

Will you color it, too? ^^
 
#3,262 ·
I need to stop watching his matches and promos. Makes me antsy for his debut.

but when it does happen...

:mark::mark::mark::mark::mark::mark::mark::mark::mark::mark::mark::mark::mark::mark:
 
#3,263 ·
I don't really have an idea for his debut, per say, but I do have an idea for the character. First, he can't be scared of anything. He can lose matches, I just don't want him to be afraid of anything, especially if he should be. I also, and here's they key, don't want him to care about wins and loses. Or titles. I just want him to care about hurting/fucking with people. For example (and I'm not saying this should happen, but it illustrative my point) it would be awesome if he faced a still undefeated Ryback. It's a brutal match, and at one point Ambrose hits him with his finisher. He goes for the pin, but pulls Ryback's shoulder up before the three count. He stands up, grins, and exits the ring getting himself counted out. The next week he does an interview where he's asked about it and he says something to the effect of, "I didn't snap his winning streak. I poisoned it. Now whenever anyone talks about how he's undefeated they'll know, deep down, that he really isn't. They'll know that I could have beaten him and chose not to. And even if they don't know? Heh, well...HE'LL know." and then walk away.
 
#3,265 ·
thats a nice idea and i like it
Ambrose should really not be afraid of anything. He should be a fucking Anarchist who doesnt give a fuck about anything
Hurting people... thats what he wants... i still want him to start with a feud with Foley. afterwards he can just fuck around with people...
 
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