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Dean Ambrose Pre-Debut Discussion Thread

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
http://www.pwinsider.com/article/67...nfronts-mick-foley-in-wrestlemania-hotel.html

The following video has leaked online, although as to what the purpose is, I can't yet tell you. It features Mick Foley being confronted for what "his generation" did to the wrestling business by WWE developmental talent Dean Ambrose, who had a dark match last night at the Raw taping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZcwPGLqQ9I

A bit of an odd one. Is this legit beef Ambrose has with Foley or worked? If it's the latter then can we read into it that Ambrose will be moving up to the main roster pretty sharpish? Seems a bit too random.

Could Ambrose get onto the main roster and straight into a feud with Foley?

(ps, apologies if thread has already been created, I can't see any threads in the General WWE section due to forum problems)


EDIT: Here is a great recap of the feud so far for those that don't want to read through 20+ pages of us all marking out like little kids. Credit to Beatles123 for this:

Look on the first page.

It started with that vid. Since then, he's been trying to make Foley be exposed as the cause of, as he puts it, "A lost generation" trying to emulate Foley and getting hurt, as well as Dean himself. He had been through countless deathmatches in CZW and injured his body, as well as seeing his friends not survive because of it.

He has posted vids of people injuring themselves doing backyard wrestling and such, as well as posting pica of his scarred body and making it known that he was being told by WWE to go home when he was arriving to debut because of Foley. He feels he's holding him down like HE'S a criminal when Foley is the same thing.

Foley does not want any part of it because Ambrose would not show him respect and not mention his children. in addition to Regal telling Mick to be careful due to his psychological mindgames, Ambrose counters by saying he never did mention them, but Foley IS blinding them to reality. Foley says he can't get into this like Cactus Jack did in 1995 with his "Cane Dewy" promo. not at his age and not with someone he feels can seriously take liberties in the ring. Ambrose mournes the loss of Foley's "Testicular Fortitude" and calls him, in terms he can understand, "The cowardly lion of WWE"

To be continued...
 
#2,036 ·
When has WWE ever put out a press relase for the viewing public saying their going to debut new talent? They put out press relases taling about expanding to 3 hours and their social media push and things of that nature. But when has WWE ever said out loud to the public "hey fans were going to debut new talent on this show"? That's right, they never have. They do it through vignettes or suprise debuts. Again, I guarentee anything you read about WWE debuting new talents on the 1000th episode was from a spoiler site or was copied and pasted from a spoiler site.

Whatever, I know I'm right and you think you're right. There is no need to continue this.

To get back to positive note: I wonder what his finisher will be? Don't know why, but I'm thinking Double Arm DDT. Hey, it's not like McIntyre is using it anymore.
 
#2,044 ·
Tried to bring this up last night, so I'll try again now. What do you guys think Ambrose's finisher will be when he is called up?

The last time we saw him in FCW, he was still using the Knee Trembler and Regal Stretch for finishers, which he really used just to mock Regal. He's used several finishers during his series of dark matches like the Evenflow DDT, Crossface Chickenwing, The Rings of Saturn, among others. I think once he debuts on the main roster, the Regal Strech will be abandoned but he could keep the Knee Trembler as a set up to his finisher.

Some wrestlers have a finishing move and others have a finishing submission. I would like to see Ambrose as one of those people that has both. Ambrose has used a lot of submissions since joining WWE but we know that the WWE rarely has their top faces tap out. That's why guys like Del Rio or Bryan never beat the top faces cleanly. Ambrose could beat the lower card guys w/ a submission hold and the top guys (if he gets that far) w/ a finishing move. These are the finishers I would like to see Ambrose have:

Finishing Move: Double Arm DDT. Don't know why, but I want to see Ambrose have a DDT type finisher. I know he uses the Evenflow DDT, but that's it basically just a regular DDT w/ a little bit of snap to it. And if you watch WWE every week, at least once or twice in every show we someone use a DDT. It's just not a believable finisher anymore. So it has to be an different version of the DDT. My pick is the Double Arm DDT, just b/c I like the move itself. I know, it's McIntyre's finisher. But when was the last time we actually saw McIntyre use the move? Don't think anyone will notice. Another one that would fine is a Reverse DDT. Like the Scorpion Death Drop.

Finishing Submission: Crossface Chickenwing. I think this is the perfect Submission for him. The Regal Strech, just parodied from Regal. Rings of Saturn, I just don't like it for Ambrose. The Crossface Chickenwing (just like Backlund) is a finisher that hasn't been used since Backlund. He's got it locked in, he's wrenching back, legs wrapped around his opponent, his crazed facial expressions in the background. Seems like a good fit to me.

So, my finishers for Ambrose would be the Double Arm DDT and the Crossface Chickenwing w/ the Knee Trembler as a signature.
 
#2,049 ·
I'd like to see him use the Diamond Cutter, but i'm not sure if WWE would allow it since the Diamond Cutter is quite similar to the RKO. Of course maybe they can overlook that since the Diamond Cutter is not entirely like the RKO, as long as he doesn't do Orton's actions when performing it he could make it look like his own version.

If not the Diamond Cutter then I would definetely like to see him with a submission finisher like the Rings of Saturn. I think a submission would be great for his character, if he becomes a sadistic psychopath then having a submission finisher would be good for him because he could torture his opponents with it. Maybe keep it locked on even after the match has ended, like Chris Benoit did with the Crossface when he was a heel.
 
#2,048 ·
Maybe they will start showing Ambrose vignettes on Monday and keep playing them until after Summerslam. My idea would be to keep playing vignettes until the Sept. 3 Raw in Chicago b/c of the great (and smarky) crowd. Or debut him as a local jobber next week in his hometown and beat Santino for the US title. Those are my ideas.
 
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#2,054 ·
This has been bugging me for ages now but is he really 6'4 lol? I saw him from like the third row during the dark match the Raw after Mania this year and he really did not look that tall...at all. I'm just curious before anybody tries to start a stupid flame war about his size btw.
 
#2,056 · (Edited)
Well, if he's debuting soon, great. I just hope that program isn't an NXT program or something. It looks very unsettling seeing the names he's pictured alongside. He needs to be on a main show.

And for God's sake, Dean, avoid contact with John Cena as much as possible and when you do have it, kiss his ass, lest your career die just like Riley's, Kennedy's, Tarver's, Doane's (not that I care about him in the least) and whoever else that parasite has sank his fangs into. He'll kill yours just as quickly.
 
#2,059 ·
Hopefully alongside midcard Raw and SmackDown wrestlers, not the NXT crew, since I would think that where you're placed on the program is where they're going to slot you. He's too good to be stuck on NXT/Superstars.

I don't know if he's going there, because I'd think he'd have been on NXT with the rest of the guys already, but the program doesn't look promising. Vince is crazy so he could stick him there anyway even when it's unwarranted.
 
#2,060 ·
Hey there. Don't watch indies. Just WWE & TNA. Who's Dean Ambrose?

This guy (who in my opinion looks an awful lot like the Guy who plays the devil in Supernatural) seems to be getting a lot of Aries type love on here. I'm only assuming he was in ROH at one point. Can one of you guys give me a brief description of what he's done and what you think of him? and maybe a vid of a match or promo so I can get an idea?
 
#2,063 ·
Because your placed at the end of a program doesn't necessarily mean your going to get stuck in the shit right out of the gate. You have to remember that a good majority of the WWE audience haven't got a clue who this guy is and it would look more out of place having him stuck in the mix on the program with regularly used superstars.

But that doesn't at all mean he's going to be on Superstars for the next few month with the jobber squad, All the guy needs is a decent debut into a strong storyline which I think most people who view this thread are hoping for...
 
#2,070 ·
Hey, they were going to debut him against a legend in Mick Foley. I think that shows that WWE thinks fairly high of him. Of course the Foley thing never materialized but that might have been for the best. From the two times I was Foley in the ring this year, he is truly a shell of his former self. Ambrose is good, but he would have to absolutely carry Foley through a match.

My main idea was for him to debut as a local jobber this week on Raw (in Ambrose's hometown of Cinncinati) and beat Santino for the US title. I mean Santino either beats jobbers or gets jobbed to the top heels. It's not like it woudn't be a down grade giving it to a guy who hasn't been on the roster before. Or maybe a feud w/ Kane b/c their characters could mesh well together.
 
#2,064 ·
Maybe it doesn't mean anything, but we don't know that. Would it really be out of place to stick him next to Sandow, RyBack, Brodus Clay, Swagger, etc? I'm not saying he needs to be on the Cena, Punk, Sheamus, Orton end, or even the Christian, Jericho, Ziggler end, but if he's gonna debut as a strong midcarder, put him somewhere it makes sense. Sure, maybe it doesn't mean anything, I'm just saying it's not encouraging seeing him next to the NXT throwaways.
 
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