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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
http://www.pwinsider.com/article/67...nfronts-mick-foley-in-wrestlemania-hotel.html

The following video has leaked online, although as to what the purpose is, I can't yet tell you. It features Mick Foley being confronted for what "his generation" did to the wrestling business by WWE developmental talent Dean Ambrose, who had a dark match last night at the Raw taping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZcwPGLqQ9I

A bit of an odd one. Is this legit beef Ambrose has with Foley or worked? If it's the latter then can we read into it that Ambrose will be moving up to the main roster pretty sharpish? Seems a bit too random.

Could Ambrose get onto the main roster and straight into a feud with Foley?

(ps, apologies if thread has already been created, I can't see any threads in the General WWE section due to forum problems)


EDIT: Here is a great recap of the feud so far for those that don't want to read through 20+ pages of us all marking out like little kids. Credit to Beatles123 for this:

Look on the first page.

It started with that vid. Since then, he's been trying to make Foley be exposed as the cause of, as he puts it, "A lost generation" trying to emulate Foley and getting hurt, as well as Dean himself. He had been through countless deathmatches in CZW and injured his body, as well as seeing his friends not survive because of it.

He has posted vids of people injuring themselves doing backyard wrestling and such, as well as posting pica of his scarred body and making it known that he was being told by WWE to go home when he was arriving to debut because of Foley. He feels he's holding him down like HE'S a criminal when Foley is the same thing.

Foley does not want any part of it because Ambrose would not show him respect and not mention his children. in addition to Regal telling Mick to be careful due to his psychological mindgames, Ambrose counters by saying he never did mention them, but Foley IS blinding them to reality. Foley says he can't get into this like Cactus Jack did in 1995 with his "Cane Dewy" promo. not at his age and not with someone he feels can seriously take liberties in the ring. Ambrose mournes the loss of Foley's "Testicular Fortitude" and calls him, in terms he can understand, "The cowardly lion of WWE"

To be continued...
 
#540 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

Please, WWE, please.

You fucked up The Nexus. You fucked up with the Anonymous GM. You fucked up the Summer of Punk. You fucked up "The Conspiracy." You fucked up Zack Ryder. You fucked up so many things, so many times. From Vader to Diamond Dallas Page to The InVasion to more items over the years than can be comprehended.

Please, WWE. Don't fuck this one up.
 
#541 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

Please, WWE, please.

You fucked up The Nexus. You fucked up with the Anonymous GM. You fucked up the Summer of Punk. You fucked up "The Conspiracy." You fucked up Zack Ryder. You fucked up so many things, so many times. From Vader to Diamond Dallas Page to The InVasion to more items over the years than can be comprehended.

Please, WWE. Don't fuck this one up.
Co-signed.
 
#500 · (Edited)
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

Look on the first page.

It started with that vid. Since then, he's been trying to make Foley be exposed as the cause of, as he puts it, "A lost generation" trying to emulate Foley and getting hurt, as well as Dean himself. He had been through countless deathmatches in CZW and injured his body, as well as seeing his friends not survive because of it.

He has posted vids of people injuring themselves doing backyard wrestling and such, as well as posting pics of his scarred body and making it known that he was being told by WWE to go home when he was arriving to debut because of Foley. He feels he's holding him down like HE'S a criminal when Foley is the same thing.

Foley does not want any part of it because Ambrose would not show him respect and not mention his children. in addition to Regal telling Mick to be careful due to his psychological mindgames, Ambrose counters by saying he never did mention them, but Foley IS blinding them to reality. Foley says he can't get into this like Cactus Jack did in 1995 with his "Cane Dewy" promo. not at his age and not with someone he feels can seriously take liberties in the ring. Ambrose mournes the loss of Foley's "Testicular Fortitude" and calls him, in terms he can understand, "The cowardly lion of WWE"

To be continued...
 
#2,150 ·
Hm. So it's good to know I am not allowed to get invested in wrestlers, care about the on-goings of wrestling, be genuinely excited and interested in wrestling (BCOZ WWE WILL RUIN IT ALL DUH), or just, I don't know, be a wrestling fan in general. You know what? Fuck all the bullshit and negativity and UGHHHH of wrestling fans (which is what you all are, supposedly). Who CARES if someone's an ~indy guy~? Who cares if someone's supposedly not big enough? Or they're matches are too spotty? Or their promos aren't good enough? Or they don't look good enough or they're not talented to go far in WWE so we shouldn't care or they're TOO talented to go far in WWE so we REALLY shouldn't care because then we're just setting ourselves up for disappointment because god forbid a wrestling fan just wants to fucking enjoy pro wrestling without giving a fuck about how far this guy can go or whether they'll be wasted or WHATEVER.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: stop taking it all so damn seriously. Crying about what potentially might or might not happen to the point where it's preventing you from enjoying what's happening right now is the most unfathomable, laughable bullshit. So what if Ambrose hasn't debuted yet? You realize not being on the main roster doesn't mean you're in a vacuum of inactivity, right? PoisonMouse (who is a total saint btw) just posted a list of stuff that is better than the majority of what we see on TV, yet we're not allowed to be excited about it because it's not on TV? Well, whatever. FUCK TV. If Ambrose never gets on TV and remains in FCW forever, I will be damn pleased about the greatness he produces there. Because that is pro wrestling and I am -gasssssppppp- a pro wrestling fan.

So yeah, I'm going to hype about Dean Ambrose. And I will continue to hype until he appears on TV. And then I will hype even harder. Whether he's doing the same shit up there, or if he turns up as Doink the Clown or Santino's trusty sidekick, because I just want to be fuckin' entertained. And yeah, whatever, I will "overrate" him, just as I will "overrate" all of my favourite wrestlers, because god forbid a wrestling fan has favourite wrestlers. The word "overrated" is overrated. Stop being so pretentious and too kewl for school and whatever. Just let wrestling fans be wrestling fans for fuck's sake. (unless they're Jinder Mahal fans; then you have every right to cuss 'em out.) UGH

*takes drag of cigarette*
 
#2,151 ·
Post of the year, my friend. Like your quote in the sig, this is the truth. People take wrestling so damn seriously to the point it's like why do you even still watch. I have no problem with people discussing and predicting the future like they do with a movie or a tv series, but there's fans out there that says things like "Fuck PG, Fuck the kids they can watch something else", that it's like Wow.
 
#362 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

Again, what Cane Dewey helps us understand about this turn in the story (that Ambrose lost his golden ticket for bringing Foley's kids into it), is that Foley's character even when he was Cactus Jack has always been this troubled family man. A person who does terrible things in the ring, and lets terrible men destroy his body, but also out of love (love for his family).

Fast forward 18 or so years and Foley has already gone through several cycles of Anti-Hardcore, and is now a lovable old man with a sock in his pants. Ambrose bringing his kids into it is daring to take Foley back, way, way, back to that dark place long ago. It is trying to force Mick Foley The Man to be Cactus Jack The Monster again.

The brilliance is that for Mick Foley, in and outside of kayfabe, this is the worst possible thing to ask of him. Kayfabe Mick Foley and real Mick Foley are in every right, after their careers, to take away Ambrose's Golden Ticket. It captures perfectly that contradiction that has always been at the heart of Foley - between the family man and the hardcore legend.

Remember how Ambrose immediately worked to take Regal to the very edge, and mess with the very essence of his character? He is doing it again with Foley.

WWE, please, please please please PLEASE let this run. I could watch this unfold forever.
 
#365 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

Again, what Cane Dewey helps us understand about this turn in the story (that Ambrose lost his golden ticket for bringing Foley's kids into it), is that Foley's character even when he was Cactus Jack has always been this troubled family man. A person who does terrible things in the ring, and lets terrible men destroy his body, but also out of love (love for his family).

Fast forward 18 or so years and Foley has already gone through several cycles of Anti-Hardcore, and is now a lovable old man with a sock in his pants. Ambrose bringing his kids into it is daring to take Foley back, way, way, back to that dark place long ago. It is trying to force Mick Foley The Man to be Cactus Jack The Monster again.

The brilliance is that for Mick Foley, in and outside of kayfabe, this is the worst possible thing to ask of him. Kayfabe Mick Foley and real Mick Foley are in every right, after their careers, to take away Ambrose's Golden Ticket. It captures perfectly that contradiction that has always been at the heart of Foley - between the family man and the hardcore legend.

Remember how Ambrose immediately worked to take Regal to the very edge, and mess with the very essence of his character? He is doing it again with Foley.

WWE, please, please please please PLEASE let this run. I could watch this unfold forever.
Chilling, this is! I actually want this to just play out slowly.......slowly watching Mick have to turn into Cactus one more time! This is just too good to be true! I can't wait!

Is there any footage of Ambrose's dark match/promo tonight?
 
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Okay guys, first part coming in around 10 minutes! I'll edit this post to put the link into all of the parts.
I'd recommend using KeepVid or similar program to download it.

E: *WARNING* THE FOLLOWING VIDEO(S) CONTAINS EXPLICIT MOX LANGUAGE

Part 1: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xv2vum_i-m-just-a-sick-guy-part-1_sport

Part 2: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xv2w9o_i-m-just-a-sick-guy-part-2_sport

Part 3: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xv2wqu_i-m-just-a-sick-guy-part-3_sport

Part 4: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xv2wtt_i-m-just-a-sick-guy-part-4_sport
 
#379 ·
Re: Mick Foley claims he can't trust Ambrose to work in the ring

Jake The Snake v 2.0 vs Mankind is a feud I'd love to see simply because it would be a totally different experience from any other wrestling feud in a long time. It would actually require maturity, subtility where the fans actually have to think about a storyline instead of having everything explained to them like 3 year olds, and psychological depth. I always wanted to have a wrestling feud that was theater material and this is one of those feuds that could possibly transcend the "angry plebs on roids hitting each other with chairs" clichee.
 
#558 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

Too true, Winning, too true.

The last promo was fabulous. One thing I've been thinking about because of all of the recent Ambrose/Punk comparisons... Punk actually has a very smooth, clear, almost downright mellifluous voice if you close your eyes and listen to it. Ambrose is the opposite. Guttural, visceral, almost sounding like sandpaper being rubbed against a saw. With a little lisp that shows up from time to time. Fortunately, he has a character that fits that, but it is nevertheless interesting. I'd say the voice is going to hold him back just a little bit.

In any case, a feud with Foley out of the starting gate is about as ideal a way as I could ever think of to be "made."

I know there's a lot of talk in this thread and the other one more specifically about the latest promo of Ambrose potentially becoming the next megastar or if he's never going to be a megastar or whatever. But I say that neither we nor WWE should be thinking that way. What WWE needs right now is stars, period. After it has replenished itself from the earth's core-like deep losses of 2009-spring 2011 losses and imminent oncoming losses, it can concern itself with finding/creating/unleashing the new megastar(s) but for right now simply restocking has to take top priority. The sobering truth is there won't be any new megastars in all likelihood unless John Cena turns heel, for he takes up so much oxygen and priority and central focus as the top babyface without providing the fertile soil with which new, colossal stars can be created. He is like an empire in which everything goes out but nothing comes in (in this particular context, I mean... obviously he's great for Vince's bank account, but he could be even greater for same bank account, long-term, as their undisputed top heel).

In any event, Ambrose has loads of potential, let's not get ahead of ourselves one way or the other for now... And I honestly hope he doesn't debut until after Extreme Rules, as a debut of this caliber should come the night after a pay-per-view, which are always the nights which cry out for the refresh button to be hit, to one degree or another.
 
#559 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

Too true, Winning, too true.

The last promo was fabulous. One thing I've been thinking about because of all of the recent Ambrose/Punk comparisons... Punk actually has a very smooth, clear, almost downright mellifluous voice if you close your eyes and listen to it. Ambrose is the opposite. Guttural, visceral, almost sounding like sandpaper being rubbed against a saw. With a little lisp that shows up from time to time. Fortunately, he has a character that fits that, but it is nevertheless interesting. I'd say the voice is going to hold him back just a little bit.

In any case, a feud with Foley out of the starting gate is about as ideal a way as I could ever think of to be "made."

I know there's a lot of talk in this thread and the other one more specifically about the latest promo of Ambrose potentially becoming the next megastar or if he's never going to be a megastar or whatever. But I say that neither we nor WWE should be thinking that way. What WWE needs right now is stars, period. After it has replenished itself from the earth's core-like deep losses of 2009-spring 2011 losses and imminent oncoming losses, it can concern itself with finding/creating/unleashing the new megastar(s) but for right now simply restocking has to take top priority. The sobering truth is there won't be any new megastars in all likelihood unless John Cena turns heel, for he takes up so much oxygen and priority and central focus as the top babyface without providing the fertile soil with which new, colossal stars can be created. He is like an empire in which everything goes out but nothing comes in (in this particular context, I mean... obviously he's great for Vince's bank account, but he could be even greater for same bank account, long-term, as their undisputed top heel).

In any event, Ambrose has loads of potential, let's not get ahead of ourselves one way or the other for now... And I honestly hope he doesn't debut until after Extreme Rules, as a debut of this caliber should come the night after a pay-per-view, which are always the nights which cry out for the refresh button to be hit, to one degree or another.
This X 1000!
 
#1,108 ·
This is my favourite part of wrestling though to be honest and why I still care about it. These times where a small but intelligent like-minded people can all get together and just be excited about something. I know after he debuts that will change because everyone will have their own shitty opinions about him and he will have endless detractors both from the WWE and the fans but right now the aura is there.
 
#2,329 ·
You know what I like about Ambrose? He has this same "You're not going to hold me down with this BS booking" quality that Punk has. Remember how even when WWE tried to do nearly everything in their power to bury Punk, he'd always come up with at least one thing that made you stop and say, "Whoa, that was pretty awesome?" Ambrose looks to have that same ability. So many "superstars" nowadays will only be as good as they're booked. Even the young guys, like Rollins, Ohno, Cesaro, Wyatt, etc. will only be as good as their booking. Hell, even stars like HHH and Cena have this air of, "If Vince didn't push us to the point of nausea, we'd still be midcarders." But Ambrose has a different vibe about him, a WCW/ECW Steve Austin vibe. It's just something about Ambrose that says, "Screw your stupid booking, if you give me so much as an inch, I'll take a goddamn mile. I dare you mofos to try and bury me."

That's the exact same attitude that made CM Punk a star.
 
#3,711 ·
I WAS SCREAMING WHEN HE CAME OUT OMG OMG OMG
 
#71 ·
Re: Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at Hotel...

Oh I marked. Foley is possibly the best promo guy ever (watch his ECW stuff) and Ambrose is already approaching him, despite being so damned young. The past and the future right here.
 
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#147 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

As an idea it is very, very clever. Turning Foley's own Anti-Hardcore legacy (for which he is most famous for, really) back on him. It only works out the mouth of a bona-fide hardcore wrestler with a chip on his shoulder - step up one Jon Moxley aka Dean Ambrose.

The legacy of ECW is thumb-tacks, baseball bats, planks of wood covered in barbed wire, broken glass and tables on fire. Before FCW, Dean went through Combat Zone Wrestling. He knows this world, which is why he can pull this feud off. He legitimately has seen a lot of kids cutting themselves up, destroying their bodies trying to be like Cactus Jack. That is the kernel of truth, that's all you need. The rest of this shit he can invent and emboss as he likes.
 
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#156 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

I hope I'm wrong but this storyline seems too smart for WWE TV. If he shows up on Smackdown this week I will mark very very hard.
there was a report about the confrontation and it was stated that a wwe writer was watching closely

The exchange was apparently arranged by WWE. We don't know if it will be used for something when Ambrose comes to the main roster or if it's some kind of FCW angle. We do know that WWE writer Ed Koskey was watching the whole thing and taking notes. Once again, you can check out the video below:
 
#167 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

Anybody saying that Foley is tame compared to Ambrose hasn't seen the barbarism Foley did as Cactus Jack against Terry Funk to get over.

Japan was ECW and CZW at their worst before the promoters and workers in those feds were twinkles in their daddy's eyes.
 
#233 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

Dear WWE, THIS is how you hype a debut in the 21st century. Signed, the IWC.
Seriously. How fucking original is this? No shitty vignettes, no random appearance, a straight fucking feud that's going to spill over onto TV soon. THIS is how you make a star. He goes over Mick, that's a solid win in a feud, makes him very credible, and is just a win win for everyone. THIS is why people are hyped for Dean Ambrose, this man is fucking amazing and creative deserves a pat on the back so far as to how they're introducing him to everyone, let's just hope they don't fuck it up like we're all too familiar with.
 
#349 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

My theory is it is because Ambrose is an old-style heel. The way he walks, his voice, his attire, the crowd instantly recognised him as a heel and started booing. I can't imagine that many people recognised him. Once he was in the ring he got the loudest "WHO ARE YA?" of the night. A lot of this is down to it being the very first match, but I think the way Ambrose holds himself, and his very short promo instantly get over with the crowd. Whether this works across the television screen is another matter, we'll just have to wait for his debut.

The promo itself was pretty much what I said, maybe one or two other things that he listed himself being. All in the time it took him to walk down the ramp. And somehow he was over as a heel. Crazy shit.
 
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#350 ·
Re: Dean Ambrose confronts Mick Foley at WrestleMania Hotel

My theory is it is because Ambrose is an old-style heel. The way he walks, his voice, his attire, the crowd instantly recognised him as a heel and started booing. I can't imagine that many people recognised him. Once he was in the ring he got the loudest "WHO ARE YA?" of the night. A lot of this is down to it being the very first match, but I think the way Ambrose holds himself, and his very short promo instantly get over with the crowd. Whether this works across the television screen is another matter, we'll just have to wait for his debut.

The promo itself was pretty much what I said, maybe one or two other things that he listed himself being. All in the time it took him to walk down the ramp. And somehow he was over as a heel. Crazy shit.
Maybe it's because he was the first one to come out (the first guy usually gets a good reaction) and the audience expected someone they knew, not some stranger with a bad attitude.
 
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