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post #2311 of 3754 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 06:14 AM
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His latest promo at RAW's Live Tour.
That was one of the worst promo's I've ever heard, he sounded like a teenager who's failing english and at times can barely be understood. I don't know what it is that has caused people in this thread to give him so much praise but it certainly isn't this promo.

For those wondering about why he hasn't debuted yet, I can only assume it's because WWE is trying to improve his promo skills before allowing him to debut on Superstars or NXT.

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Well, that also may be the quality of the camera recorder and where it was in the crowd.

You've seen other promos of his, yes?
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The "what" chants are going to ruin him.

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Well, that also may be the quality of the camera recorder and where it was in the crowd.

You've seen other promos of his, yes?
A few, his voice is the same in them as well and whilst there's nothing wrong with getting into your character he has clearly taken it too far.

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A few, his voice is the same in them as well and whilst there's nothing wrong with getting into your character he has clearly taken it too far.
Based on what? I can hear him perfectly fine and many others can as well.

His grating, guttural tone is important to his heel persona.
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Based on what? I can hear him perfectly fine and many others can as well.

His grating, guttural tone is important to his heel persona.
There's nothing wrong with the tone, it's just that he's taking it too far, or maybe that's just the best he can do. I assume he's suppose to sound like a loose cannon, instead he sounds like he's mentally challenged and that's not something you want for a serious character.

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There's nothing wrong with the tone, it's just that he's taking it too far, or maybe that's just the best he can do. I assume he's suppose to sound like a loose cannon, instead he sounds like he's mentally challenged and that's not something you want for a serious character.
Mentally challenged? As in his long drawls and nasally squealing?

If they utilise him as they were in FCW he will be taken quite seriously. Guy sounds like a unhinged, sociopathic spastic. In an era where most heels are given limited range I'd say that's a good way to distinguish yourself in a positive way (or negative in a heel's case).
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I wouldn't say it's as much about the 'depth' of Ambrose's character in comparison to Sandow's, but moreso the qualities of the latter personality that may be interpreted as being positive. You'll see so much love for Sandow around here and throughout a range other media outlets like Youtube. That's undoubtedly a sign that he's starting to get over and that's great. My concern is that fans will start 'enjoying' his act (yeah, yeah. Entertainment and all that) to the point where he won't fulfil his heel role properly. And that's not so much his somewhat-humorous antics, but moreso his intellectualism which most people value as a positive trait. It may get to the point where older audiences look past his narcissistic handing of abilities and cheer him when he interrupts awful segments.
This is pretty much guaranteed to happen in the world of Professional Wrestling at this point in time, especially in the IWC, where I like to think as a whole we appreciate good talent whether they're portraying a heel or face persona. My point is that Professional Wrestling isn't as black and white as it used to be, in the age of the internet and with "Smarks" attending live events, heels are going to get cheered if they're doing a superb job at being entertaining. It's not as simple as good versus bad guy with fans cheering and booing respectively anymore, it's a much more diverse audience these days and that is something that wrestlers have to try and balance correctly when performing. But yeah, if you're doing a damn entertaining job, whether heel or face, a portion of the audience is going to cheer you regardless, it's something that can't really be helped.

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This is pretty much guaranteed to happen in the world of Professional Wrestling at this point in time, especially in the IWC, where I like to think as a whole we appreciate good talent whether they're portraying a heel or face persona. My point is that Professional Wrestling isn't as black and white as it used to be, in the age of the internet and with "Smarks" attending live events, heels are going to get cheered if they're doing a superb job at being entertaining. It's not as simple as good versus bad guy with fans cheering and booing respectively anymore, it's a much more diverse audience these days and that is something that wrestlers have to try and balance correctly when performing. But yeah, if you're doing a damn entertaining job, whether heel or face, a portion of the audience is going to cheer you regardless, it's something that can't really be helped.
I agree, although it's something the company cannot resign itself to. Frankly, it's something we shouldn't resign ourselves to either. You can boo and cheer who you want, but the heel's primary objective is to get the crowd to hate him/her and help garner support for his/her opponent. Cheering the heel undermines the world of kayfabe in many cases so it's up to the quality, or 'despicability', of the heel's character to remind smarks of their fresh-eyed days as marks.
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I agree, although it's something the company cannot resign itself to. Frankly, it's something we shouldn't resign ourselves to either. You can boo and cheer who you want, but the heel's primary objective is to get the crowd to hate him/her and help garner support for his/her opponent. Cheering the heel undermines the world of kayfabe in many cases so it's up to the quality, or 'despicability', of the heel's character to remind smarks of their fresh-eyed days as marks.
I think the PG era is a big restraint in terms of getting over as a real heel. I mean, you mention "despicability" like it's an easy thing to achieve in the current WWE environment. Of course to children it might be, but more importantly to the "Smarks" it's damn near impossible. Lets take this forum for example, the demographic on here must be in the 16-35 age range, with PG programming it's going to be extremely difficult for a heel to actual shock us and I mean literally shock us, not to the point where we begin to despise them anyway. The only way a wrestler is going to get legitimate heat as a heel (with the Smarks) is if they're bad, if they're so bad that people want to turn the television off every time they make an appearance, now that is going to garner heat, not the right heat though.
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