Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister
Well, you can have your own definition, but I'm not making sense of it. Saying that somebody is "great and has all the right skills to be a major player in WWE" IS saying they have "it". That's what you're doing, that's what "it" means. If somebody can't be a big star, they don't have "it". An example of somebody who doesn't have "it" is Tensai. Another example is Jack Swagger. They push them, they flop like fuck, they de-push them. Simple.
Saying how great Sandow is and how he can be a major heel is saying he has "it", because if he doesn't have "it", then "it" means nothing, because as you just said, he can be a major heel. Whatever you think is missing with him is clearly NOT important, because if it was important, then it would stop him from becoming a major heel and would match up perfectly with you saying he doesn't have "it". Do you see where I'm going with this?
I agree with you, Ambrose could be the top heel in the company, but so could Sandow. He's ridiculously good on the mic, his gimmick is a heat catcher, and really, before Punk turned, the biggest heel in the company was Big Show, so it's not like being the top babyface. In order to be the top babyface, you've got to really, really have insane amounts of "it". And whatever "it" actually is, Sandow and Ambrose's ceiling is not that high. They can both be the top heel in the company, but no higher.
Ambrose might accomplish more, I'll agree with you on that, for a couple reasons. Firstly, he's younger, that helps. Secondly, there's more potential as a babyface for Ambrose than for Sandow. Not to say that Sandow couldn't be a babyface, but this gimmick clearly isn't adaptable into a face, he'd have to go to something else before I would say "yeah, I can see him playing babyface". Even though Ambrose is crazy, he has a character portrayal method that would lead me to believe that he can play either side as the same character. Heel is definately easier, but there's some way to turn his personality into a face. I don't know what without thinking about it too in depth, but someway, somehow, there is a way for a crazy man to be a babyface. He'd be, I don't know how to describe it, sort of like the babyface Rated R Superstar Edge, sort of like a rock star/badass combo thing like he had. I don't know, I'm not gonna think about it that in depth. Right now I can't imagine how Sandow would play a babyface until I see him in another gimmick or at least a tweaked version, so that's #2. #3 is because the edgy persona is "in" at the moment. People love Punk's stuff to death, and Punk is both very different but also very similar to Ambrose as a character, and these qualities can bring him very far.
If any of the things I listed are what you meant when you said "it", feel free to tell me. I still think it's a misuse of the term, in any event, because not having "it" to me is synonymous with not being able to be a major player.
Look at a guy like Del Rio. Del Rio has one of the best WWE pedigrees. Comes from a great wrestling family. Great technical wrestler. He's charismatic even though his promos are one dimensional (meaning he sounds good during his promos but all of his promos are basically the same thing). But in my eyes, and the eyes of many others, he doesn't have that quality about him that when he's on TV, I don't turn the channel. In my opinion, Del Rio doesn't have the "IT" Factor. But even so, he's a two time WWE Champion, a MITB winner, a Royal Rumble winner, and now is challenging for the World Title at WWE's 2nd biggest PPV of the year.
In my eyes, I group Del Rio and Sandow together for this reason. I don't think Del Rio is boring like so many do. But at the same time, he doesn't make my needle to move. It's the same in my eyes for Sandow. I think Sandow has all of the skills to be a World or maybe even a WWE Champ. He's a great talent. But, again my opinion, he doesn't capture my interest like Ambrose does. I'm not saying Ambrose is so much better than Sandow. But, I do think he's better overall and will go farther in his career.
On an unrelated note, I'm not expecting Ambrose to debut until sometime after SSlam. Ambrose is great but he is still unproven on national television and a WWE audience. It wouldn't be smart to debut someone as good as Ambrose right before WWE's 2nd biggest PPV b/c he's still new and unproven and there really wouldn't be room for him on the card.