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And what the fuck is wrong with that? Long as they keep pushing him, I don't give a shit if the fans respond to him or not.



Tensai got dropped because his performance was appaling, he had a huge push lined up that wouldn't otherwise have been dropped. He wasn't up to it, end of, really. Ambrose would be better than fine in that spot, he's a goldmine.
Whats the point of pushing someone if the fans dont give a shit about him? . As for Tensai Im convinced it was just to do with the WWE losing interest in him.

Seriously I see no reason to give him a huge debut.
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:35 PM   #1932 (permalink)
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Uhhh, cause he's fucking GREAT? Nobody is expecting Ambrose to be the main draw or anything, hell, today, that doesn't even fall on the WWE Champion. You can totally push him without being over, or anyone. It doesn't matter like it used to. They're still pushing Del Rio, regardless of reactions because he's awesome and he's earned it, not because of what a bunch of sheep think. Ambrose's future should not be put in the hands of 5 year old Cena fans.

And yes, they lost interest in Tensai. You know why they lost interest? Cause they thought he was good when they hired him back and it turns out he SUCKED. If Triple H is as high on Ambrose as we've been lead to believe, they won't lose interest in him, and he shouldn't because he's an amazing talent, whereas Tensai is a fat, slow 40 year old with no upside and not much time left on his career. Ambrose is 26, he's a phenom on the mic, he's got his character down, he can pretty much do anything. They're gonna have to really pull one of the hat to fuck him up.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ambrose needs to debut in an impactful way but not accomplish too much too soon. I say impactful b/c I think w/ Ambrose's ability, all he needs is a good debut storyline for the fans to get emotionally involved w/ and Ambrose can take it from there. But if he accomplishes too much too soon, like go after Cena or Punk, b/c he within a year people (even people on this site) will say he's boring and doesn't deserve to be in the spot he's in. Kind of like Del Rio.

Again, I'm throwing out the idea for him to debut by beating Santino for the US title on his first night. He beats a big fan favorite to get big heat and he's in a very good position within the mid card. I would like to see this happen on episode 1001 b/c Raw is in Cinncinatti and Ambrose is from Cinncinatti. He could debut as "local jobber." Another one of my ides is to against Kane. Their characters mesh well together and Kane is famous for putting others over.
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Whats the point of pushing someone if the fans dont give a shit about him? . As for Tensai Im convinced it was just to do with the WWE losing interest in him.

Seriously I see no reason to give him a huge debut.
You need exposure for the fans to give a shit about someone. And he hasn't had that yet.
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Uhhh, cause he's fucking GREAT? Nobody is expecting Ambrose to be the main draw or anything, hell, today, that doesn't even fall on the WWE Champion. You can totally push him without being over, or anyone. It doesn't matter like it used to. They're still pushing Del Rio, regardless of reactions because he's awesome and he's earned it, not because of what a bunch of sheep think. Ambrose's future should not be put in the hands of 5 year old Cena fans.

And yes, they lost interest in Tensai. You know why they lost interest? Cause they thought he was good when they hired him back and it turns out he SUCKED. If Triple H is as high on Ambrose as we've been lead to believe, they won't lose interest in him, and he shouldn't because he's an amazing talent, whereas Tensai is a fat, slow 40 year old with no upside and not much time left on his career. Ambrose is 26, he's a phenom on the mic, he's got his character down, he can pretty much do anything. They're gonna have to really pull one of the hat to fuck him up.
Future shouldn't be in the hands of the fans, This is why WWE doesn't listen to the IWC, they would go broke.
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The top star should be in the hands of the fans. Anybody else is completely expendable, hell, even Punk. You think it matters if they fire Orton or Sheamus tomorrow? Fuck no, they just get replaced and the machine keeps on going. Nobody draws anymore, it's the WWE name itself that makes the difference. Given that, they need to push those who actually deserve it. Hell, half the time, the fans don't even know what they've got until the WWE pushes somebody and points it out for them. Look at Austin, nobody gave a fuck about him until the WWE saw something in him and pushed him.
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The top star should be in the hands of the fans. Anybody else is completely expendable, hell, even Punk. You think it matters if they fire Orton or Sheamus tomorrow? Fuck no, they just get replaced and the machine keeps on going. Nobody draws anymore, it's the WWE name itself that makes the difference. Given that, they need to push those who actually deserve it. Hell, half the time, the fans don't even know what they've got until the WWE pushes somebody and points it out for them. Look at Austin, nobody gave a fuck about him until the WWE saw something in him and pushed him.
No, Austin was already becoming popular before he even got pushed. And yes I do think it matters, Orton & Sheamus are two top stars, Imagine what would happen if say TNA picked them up?
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No, Austin was already becoming popular before he even got pushed. And yes I do think it matters, Orton & Sheamus are two top stars, Imagine what would happen if say TNA picked them up?
Austin as the ringmaster was a god damn nobody. It took WWE making a new persona for him that they wanted to push to catch on.

TNA has Hulk Hogan, Bischoff, Ric Flair (not now but for ages), Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy, Sting, Kennedy and the Dudleyz and they still pull low 1's in the ratings. Sheamus and Orton have never even drawn business in WWE, and Orton has peaked. 10 years in and he's still irrelevant as any kind of a draw. What are they gonna do in TNA? TNA could get Punk, Orton, Sheamus, Jericho, Daniel Bryan and Rey Mysterio at once and they still wouldn't move up because the company is helpless at promotion and investing their money into the show. Names on their own, with no hype machine are pretty much useless. If Hardy, as basically WWE's most over guy in 2009 jumping doesn't prove that, I don't know what will. The only people that might help are John Cena, The Rock, and maybe Brock Lesnar, maybe. On the other hand, if Vince bought TNA and really invested his time in it, the current TNA with the roster they have now, no names coming in from WWE, they'd be neck and neck with WWE in one year.
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Austin as the ringmaster was a god damn nobody. It took WWE making a new persona for him that they wanted to push to catch on.

TNA has Hulk Hogan, Bischoff, Ric Flair (not now but for ages), Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy, Sting, Kennedy and the Dudleyz and they still pull low 1's in the ratings. Sheamus and Orton have never even drawn business in WWE, and Orton has peaked. 10 years in and he's still irrelevant as any kind of a draw. What are they gonna do in TNA? TNA could get Punk, Orton, Sheamus, Jericho, Daniel Bryan and Rey Mysterio at once and they still wouldn't move up because the company is helpless at promotion and investing their money into the show. Names on their own, with no hype machine are pretty much useless. If Hardy, as basically WWE's most over guy in 2009 jumping doesn't prove that, I don't know what will. The only people that might help are John Cena, The Rock, and maybe Brock Lesnar, maybe. On the other hand, if Vince bought TNA and really invested his time in it, the current TNA with the roster they have now, no names coming in from WWE, they'd be neck and neck with WWE in one year.
That gimmick was 1. All Austin, and 2. He still got him self over with the Stone Cold gimmick before being pushed.

Yeah don't get ahead of yourself, Alot of those names you listed such as Punk, Orton, Sheamus, Jericho, Bryan, & Mysterio could easily change things in TNA's favor.
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Before getting pushed to the title, yes, but everybody needs a push of some kind to get over. Nobody gets super over as a jobber and gets pushed as a result.

No, they couldn't. There isn't one person on that list who has anywhere near the star power of Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Jeff Hardy, Sting and Kurt Angle. It's all about marketing and putting money into the product.
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