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Old 06-28-2012, 03:14 PM   #1671 (permalink)
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You know what, I think I've had something of an epiphany. I'm genuinely not worried at all about Ambrose. Whether he's thrown out there with Mick Foley or Punk or Santino fucking Marella, he's more than good enough to make it work. He's way too great a talent to be totally fucked up. I'm just looking forward to watching him on grand scale TV, whether he's curtain jerking or main eventing. Goddammit I just want some Ambrose. The cream will rise to the top eventually, but even then, I've got a feeling they've got huge plans for him. It'd explain him not being featured on NXT, at the very least. Just be positive, guys. I know it's hard, but be positive. It's going to be a hell of a ride. (get with it or get left behind hahaha)





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Old 06-28-2012, 04:00 PM   #1672 (permalink)
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Tank is right. Eventually, the best rise to the top. Take an example of CM Punk. The guy was given one chance to shine, and he took it and grabbed it by the horns to get to where he is today. Look at Bryan. The guy only won the title because Henry was injured, but even when no one had faith in him, he basically said "Fuck you, I'm going to make this work". And he did.

Despite being completely buried at Mania, he became one of the most over guys in the company. And that's because people realized he was talented and wanted to see more of him. The same will happen with Ambrose. Even if he DOES get buried, he'll still be on top because he's talented, and because he hungry to succeed.
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:35 PM   #1673 (permalink)
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Dean Ambrose should not be teamed up with anyone else,his debut should not be apart of a stable, he is above the level of Nexus, he is above Barrett in both character and ring skill,also he should not have a manager or a valet like AJ because I don't think he needs it, he can do so much more by himself then teaming up and having to come off as a weak heel who needs to have ringside assistance which is what they will do if he gets any of the things I mentioned.

Just lets have Ambrose be Ambrose first, the only way I recommend Ambrose being apart of a stable is if it's a stable of tweeners or even faces, bringing in guys like cesaro and ohno, sandow, seth rollins, guys who all have something unique about them that can look pretty legitimate and stand out, as opposed to nexus, but still ambrose is above all this, although him always talking about team kamikaze was great ahah
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You know what, I think I've had something of an epiphany. I'm genuinely not worried at all about Ambrose. Whether he's thrown out there with Mick Foley or Punk or Santino fucking Marella, he's more than good enough to make it work. He's way too great a talent to be totally fucked up. I'm just looking forward to watching him on grand scale TV, whether he's curtain jerking or main eventing. Goddammit I just want some Ambrose. The cream will rise to the top eventually, but even then, I've got a feeling they've got huge plans for him.
For me, it's not so much a question of talent as what is done to the characters and personalities of performers. There's a lot of capable talent in the works at the moment, yet more often than not they are portrayed as flat, uninteresting drones beyond their roles as good guys or baddies (maybe they think casuals like that? I don't know or care). To think that most current characters are forced to go through a "two-dimensional" phase is disheartening. What's worse is one whose ground work has already been established is still in danger of being castrated or altered altogether to suit whatever out-of-touch vision the head guy apparently maintains.

The Cody Rhodes comparison made earlier in the thread is a perfect example of this. We actually got satisfactory development from his Dashing phase, into the Undashing transformation, as well as what initially looked to be an amalgamation between the two. It was then to be explicably dropped in favour of a 'mean' Cody Rhodes with weird facial expressions. I don't care what you think about the performer, there's no excuse to drop a year's worth of characterisation in the span of four weeks. That's lousy for an entertainment industry.

I have little doubt Ambrose will still get fans to loathe him. The guy's obviously got a good mind for it all and has talent in spades (although I don't know how versatile he has proven to be in the past). In some ways, putting a script will be slightly beneficial in tightening up his dialogue and keeping him on track. The irrepressible thought of management getting their hands on a character and nullifying it to suit the boring face-friendly era would be disappointing on all aspects. Without compelling characters there's no compelling stories. There's no fun in that, nor is there longevity in it.

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You know what, I think I've had something of an epiphany. I'm genuinely not worried at all about Ambrose. Whether he's thrown out there with Mick Foley or Punk or Santino fucking Marella, he's more than good enough to make it work. He's way too great a talent to be totally fucked up. I'm just looking forward to watching him on grand scale TV, whether he's curtain jerking or main eventing. Goddammit I just want some Ambrose. The cream will rise to the top eventually, but even then, I've got a feeling they've got huge plans for him. It'd explain him not being featured on NXT, at the very least. Just be positive, guys. I know it's hard, but be positive. It's going to be a hell of a ride. (get with it or get left behind hahaha)
You might be right, because Ambrose has the good fortune to be American. If he were English, he'd be done automatically, talent and overness aside.
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True, July 23rd is only a few weeks away. Fuck. Can't come sooner.
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People are going to be so disappointed when he doesn't debut on the 1000th RAW. Everyone has convinced themselves he will despite there being no evidence to suggest such a thing happening. I'd love it to happen but it won't.
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You might be right, because Ambrose has the good fortune to be American. If he were English, he'd be done automatically, talent and overness aside.
How does your Vince is xenophobic argument add anything to the discussion?

On topic: I'm sure Ambrose will do fine on the main roster but I kind of hope he doesn't get pushed straight to the top with a winning streak. Ambrose works best when he is the underdog & fighting towards something (eg. getting Regal to wrestle him). He'd be the perfect candidate to take the U.S title off Santino if they don't go with the Foley feud.
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People are going to be so disappointed when he doesn't debut on the 1000th RAW. Everyone has convinced themselves he will despite there being no evidence to suggest such a thing happening. I'd love it to happen but it won't.
There was a press release or something for Raw 1000 and it specifically mentioned new talent debuting. It didn't mention names, but considering Rollins, Ohno, Wyatt are on NXT, and Sandow, Cesaro and RyBack have already debuted, and Dean hasn't debuted and isn't on NXT despite basically every other FCW superstar on the roster being on NXT, who else is it? There was even a report (and yeah, report, LOL TYRION THE GULLIBLE IMP) about the Raw team working on ideas to bring Ambrose to the main roster. Is it true? I have no idea but let's add it to the evidence pool regardless.

Yeah, maybe he won't debut. And fuck them if he doesn't, but despite my negativity, there is a good chance of it happening.
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