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Old 06-24-2012, 04:11 PM   #1581 (permalink)
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What does this have to do with Cena? We're talking about up and comers, not veterans.
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Old 06-24-2012, 04:47 PM   #1582 (permalink)
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Well you were saying that WWE can fuck up anyone they want, and you included Regal, he's a vet. Ambrose will be fine.
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You know what I meant when I said vets. I meant multi time world champion vets. Obviously you can't fuck up somebody who you've already MADE, I thought that was common knowledge that goes without explanation. They can still ruin anybody they haven't made.

I don't want Ambrose to be "fine", I want him to be a big star. He may get moderate success and hold something like the WHC, but that's only the bare minimum, he deserves better. I'm not getting my hopes up for better when the WWE's track record is abyssmal.
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Yeah, if it were up to me and I'm sure many people, Ambrose would make a huge impact right out of the gate and blow everyone away. Although I do think his debut will be a good one, it probably won't be anything never seen before. He is a once in a while rare talent, that if Vince himself wants to make money off of, should capitalize on. When Punk and Cena are big supporters of him, it leads me to believe he won't be a career midcarder or just a forgettable WHC, Punk calling him their "secret weapon" is giving me high hopes even though I know that looking at past high hopes I've had, there's a big chance of it being a letdown.
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This guy reminds me of Raven a bit.
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Yeah, if it were up to me and I'm sure many people, Ambrose would make a huge impact right out of the gate and blow everyone away. Although I do think his debut will be a good one, it probably won't be anything never seen before. He is a once in a while rare talent, that if Vince himself wants to make money off of, should capitalize on. When Punk and Cena are big supporters of him, it leads me to believe he won't be a career midcarder or just a forgettable WHC, Punk calling him their "secret weapon" is giving me high hopes even though I know that looking at past high hopes I've had, there's a big chance of it being a letdown.
What's so special about Punk and Cena supporting him? They don't have any say. They're Zack Ryder's biggest supporters and he gets buried every show he's on, or doesn't appear at all. The only guy who can really lobby for him is Triple H, but if Vince doesn't like him, Vince doesn't like him and he'll go nowhere. We don't know yet.

Also, I don't know why people don't know this, but the only reason Punk called Ambrose their "secret weapon" is because that's what Ambrose called himself in a dark match promo, he's just requoting Ambrose directly because he's an Ambrose mark. Not really noteworthy but it's worth pointing out, because everybody seems to think Punk made that up.
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At this point I don't think Ambrose's debut can be anything but a dissapointment as expectations are so high which will hurt his momentum out of the gate. He also needs an opportunity to prove himself and get himself over and for him that will require a decent amount of mic time in a sustained logical feud where he can establish his character. How likely is that? I can't remember the WWE ever pulling that off. There is no doubt he'll float around for a long time, never really being able to show his potential, think of Punk until the SES.

The fact he has been working Dark Matches for forever and a bunch of randoms have debuted shows he is viewed as above them and extra care is being taken with him, but in the WWE corporate environment who is to say.

I want to stay positive about Ambrose but as Tyrion put it being negative will help mitigate the dissapointment if WWE do fuck up and on the off chance they don't and they capitalise on the immense potential shown by Dean then I'll be even happier and able to enjoy it more than if I expected it.
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I'm just trying to be positive so I can have my false hope hah. You're right about the whole Ryder thing Tyrion, but it also has partly to do with the fact that Ryder's gimmick can't go anywhere, it's doomed in the midcard and can't change at all, he'd need to be repackaged in order to get anywhere. And I did not know that the secret weapon was from an Ambrose promo.
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That's not good though, they're going to disappoint you like they always do. Don't get your hopes up, you'll be pleasantly surprised if they do the right thing for once in their lives.

Ryder could be repackaged, there's no problem in that at all. But until Cena and Punk champion somebody who succeeds, as far fetched as it is to believe that Cena and Punk have no stroke, that's all I have to go on. And even then, Ambrose is so talented, he might've made it without them anyway. It's something we'll never know.

Yeah, that line is from an Ambrose promo at one of his most recent events. It went something like "you probably don't know my name, but you will soon enough. I'm WWE's secret weapon, they don't want you to know about me just yet". I'm paraphrasing as I don't remember his exact words. It's just funny to see so many people attribute that solely to Punk when the video is out there. I would've thought somebody would've seen it by now.
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He needs to be a part of a huge summer angle to make him instantly.

Wishful thinking.
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