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Old 06-24-2012, 12:14 AM   #1571 (permalink)
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While I agree those are really lofty claims, I think it's waaay too early to say either way. Not being on Austin/Rock status isn't the end of the world clearly, those 2 are GOAT level talents, that doesn't mean he isn't a star if he doesn't reach those heights! I think it's just a matter of people are really excited about this guy because of his POTENTIAL and also they need some hope that the product could improve to hold on to and I really can't blame people for getting overexcited. I really enjoy Ambrose and think he has "it", but I definitely think the best thing to do with incoming stars with potential these days is to be patient and be POSITIVE.
Being positive is not a good idea in today's WWE, they've ruined some very good prospects. Dean is super talented and there's no reason why he shouldn't be a major star, but when the owner of the company is an out of touch 67 year old who's more focused on patching up their lack of star power for 2 months with the nostalgic flavor of the month instead of curing it by building up new talents, keeping your expectations low is a good idea.

I do expect Dean to have moderate success, granted. He'll be WHC, because who the fuck isn't these days? But I don't know about the level he should get to.
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Being positive is not a good idea in today's WWE, they've ruined some very good prospects. Dean is super talented and there's no reason why he shouldn't be a major star, but when the owner of the company is an out of touch 67 year old who's more focused on patching up their lack of star power for 2 months with the nostalgic flavor of the month instead of curing it by building up new talents, keeping your expectations low is a good idea.

I do expect Dean to have moderate success, granted. He'll be WHC, because who the fuck isn't these days? But I don't know about the level he should get to.
Being negative about things is even worse, it's not going to change anything and takes away from the enjoyment of wrestling. I'm not going to get overhyped for things either, but I think it's best to not be negative when the guy hasn't even debuted yet. Some people hype guys to be Stone Cold/Rock then when that doesn't happen right away they blow a gasket and say WWE is burying somebody, if people try to be more patient and positive there may be less meltdowns. I'm not saying that there's never things to be negative about, but in this situation it's waaay too early to start the negativity about "WWE fucking up" with a new guy pre debut! If it's a few months post debut and he's jobbing or making regular appearances on Superstars then I won't blame people for being negative, but I really hope that doesn't happen because I do agree he's got potential.

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I'll stick with being negative anyway, thanks. That way, you can either be pleasantly surprised when he does well, or fully expectant when he doesn't, but you remove the disappointment entirely. If you're positive, you're hoping for something that may not happen. I've made that mistake before and I choose not to make it again.
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I'll stick with being negative anyway, thanks. That way, you can either be pleasantly surprised when he does well, or fully expectant when he doesn't, but you remove the disappointment entirely. If you're positive, you're hoping for something that may not happen. I've made that mistake before and I choose not to make it again.
Dude you make that mistake ALL the time. You like to put your stock into the wrong wrestlers and over the years I've seen you do it so many times it's hilarious. But Ambrose is destined for greatness. There's no way WWE can fuck this up.
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I don't put any stock into the "wrong wrestlers", the people I like are always the type of wrestler that WWE pushes, but Vince has changed in his senile state and doesn't push his typical wrestlers anymore. That's not my fault, I can't help who I like, but I've given up hoping for anybody. I've made that mistake twice but it hasn't happened since. Besides, most of the wrestlers I like have been hugely successful, it's only an odd few that WWE ruined, but that's enough to be wary.

And there's nobody that the WWE can't fuck up. Nobody. They fucked up William Regal of all people.
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No Regal fucked himself up with drugs.
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and when they gave him another push, around 2006 i believe, he messed up again

wwe isn't dumb, they always knew what they had in regal but regal held himself back ... but he was always brought back because he's good friends with triple h
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They can't fuck up Cena. Because that's just another obstacle for him to go over hahahhaha
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Stop with the drugs excuse. Jeff Hardy was doped up for a decade and he got the belt 3 times and would've gotten more if he hadn't quit. Same thing with Michaels in the 90's. 3 time champion (then), constantly drugged up, never drew a DIME in his entire life. They never gave Regal any kind of a serious push where you would've thought he was headed to a world title, even his biggest push in 2008 was set up right from the beginning as a face push for Kennedy to get him fired from Raw.

They can ruin anybody, no matter how good they are. Anybody, Regal aside. Having talent is not a safeguard against WWE fucking up.
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They cannot fuck up Cena. He is at a point where he has the highest prestige, even higher than having the WWE title, and that's something the WWE has to fix, cause it's fucking stupid and makes titles almost obsolete.
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