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Old 06-07-2012, 12:04 AM   #1291 (permalink)
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Not surprised. It could accidentally make him and overnight sensation and star that could take away from the Breakfast Club. Besides, Foley has never been a real favorite with the higher ups anyways. Which sucks for everyone involved but whatever.

I will still say this is all a work but I wouldn't be surprised if that report is true.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:13 AM   #1292 (permalink)
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I'm glad the feud with Foley isn't happening for his debut. He should be built up a but before he feuds with Foley, like Orton was.

Whether it happens later in his career, I hope so, but it probably won't and that still shouldn't be too big of a deal for his career.
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Was he talking about Regal in that video or Foley? 0-o
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Not surprised. It could accidentally make him and overnight sensation and star that could take away from the Breakfast Club. Besides, Foley has never been a real favorite with the higher ups anyways. Which sucks for everyone involved but whatever.

I will still say this is all a work but I wouldn't be surprised if that report is true.
Shameful, because this could've been/is a really smart angle. It's a cerebral and multi-layered idea.

What happens when a guy who made his career from mutilating his body for years influences others to do the same? What happens when someone decides to hold him accountable for it after he has been coasting by for years enjoying his glory?

It's actually too high brow/edgy of an angle for WWE honestly.
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Or more appropriately, too edgy for WWE now.

Ambrose and Punk are in the wrong era. Honest to God, they are. They're AE guys who got here way too late and the current system is destroying their appeal or will slowly destroy them. I guess look wise they're in the era that's best for them but damn sure not style wise.
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Or more appropriately, too edgy for WWE now.

Ambrose and Punk are in the wrong era. Honest to God, they are. They're AE guys who got here way too late and the current system is destroying their appeal or will slowly destroy them. I guess look wise they're in the era that's best for them but damn sure not style wise.
Well hopefully we'll be moving back into a more edgier product soon with the way ratings are plummeting and we'll get to see character flourish in their natural habitat, and cookie cutter superheros transform into despised heels, a la Bret Hart.
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Don't bet on it. Everything in WWE is so sterilized, Fisher Price WWE titles, Be A Star this, Linda's repeated failed Senate campaigns that, etc. Anything that even remotely rocks the boat, they'll get some over entitled organization devoted to equal rights for this group or that one demanding an apology for it, which they'll cave into to prevent a PR fiasco. Nothing indicates to me that we're headed towards an edgier product. Yeah, whenever Rock comes back he says bitch, and the only reason he says that is because he's Rock and he makes the rules, and he won't compromise his character for an appearance. WWE has to play within his system or he stays away and they don't make as much money. Other than that, that's about it, nothing stands out and says "WWE is getting closer to an edgy product".

Even if they did go edgy, WWE damn sure isn't gonna let their characters flourish in their natural habitat. That habitat doesn't even exist anymore, WWE came into the forest with a steamroller and knocked all the trees down. If you don't get that analogy, it basically means character development for the wrestlers was axed because they think we need an hour and a half devoted to the boss character, the damn irrelevant boss character that contributes nothing to the product taking a shit. And I don't mean Laurinaitis specifically, I mean any boss although he's certainly the worst culprit.

As for cookie cutter superheros transforming into heels, good luck. The fans turned Cena heel 6 years ago but the front office doesn't seem to have realized it.
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Sigh.

Sadly, you guys are right.

I think another reason they might have pulled the plug on it, is because the subject matter of the angle would involve them having to talk about an era that the WWE wants the general audience to forget.

We aren't supposed to remember that at one time there were hardcore matches, blood, thumbtacks, and chair shots to the head in the WWE.

They have effectively retconned it from their history ala Benoit.

I'm glad you mentioned Linda's failed Senate runs. How many times is she going to try and fail? All while sterilizing the product in hopes that it will be enough to improve the WWE's public image and get her a win finally. Let it go. I hope she loses this attempt as well.
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I don't get it...Why is everyone so excited about this guy?
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for now fuck this foley crap,

ambrose v regal 2 (6 months in the making) is happening at fcw tonight, i cannot wait for that match to hit the internet, hope they go for a good 25 30 mins, and i see ambrose retiring regal from the ring, and they will use the fact he did that to give him some credibility when he debuts, 'i ended william regals career' but i love the ' dean ambrose is taking over the world' quote, i love that

p.s, oh and july 23rd he WILL debut, bank on it!! im 100% convinced he will be there
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