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Old 05-29-2012, 11:27 PM   #1191 (permalink)
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Oh, I definitely like the Knee Trembler in general, and largely for that very reason: it can be utilized on anybody. But I guess I just don't care for it from Ambrose. He's hugely talented and should have a very fine WWE career ahead of him in any case... I suppose it could be used as an immediate set-up to the Evenflow like ChromeMan suggests. Like he hits the Knee Trembler, then grabs the guy by his hair or whatever and immediately transitions into the Evenflow for the pin. Having three viable finishers could do him wonders, ala Sheamus (who purportedly wants to add more).
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Old 05-29-2012, 11:35 PM   #1192 (permalink)
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What's Sheamus's third finisher, exactly? He's won like 2 matches with the Razor's Edge, I don't even think I'd count that anymore.

I like the knee trembler from Ambrose. He's GOT to have a move that looks like it could knock his opponent out, because he certainly doesn't have the look that others do that allows them to get away with lesser finishers. If I see a guy like him, without prior knowledge, on a first impression, I'm not taking him seriously at all, so he needs to be established as brutal if the audience is going to buy into him winning.
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THIS should be his impact finisher TBH.



It's still a variation of the DDT, has an easy setup, and looks like a unique and devastating finisher! I'm sure Prince Devitt wouldn't mind him using it!
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Old 05-30-2012, 12:03 AM   #1194 (permalink)
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I don't think WWE is going to be allowing that, they're going hardcore on trying to prevent concussions.

And yeah, maybe you can make an argument "well, what about the knee", but with the knee it's easy to fake hitting the guy, you just strike at the edge of the head and it'll look like it hit, or at least making it a lot lighter than a plunge into the mat.
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A simple brain buster, or him going back to using the One-Hitter [Vertical suplex transitioned into a impaler DDT.]

Personally, I think it would be awesome for him to use the Screwdriver, but with all of the safety guidelines now, probably won't see it happen.
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He needs a finisher that's believable to knock anyone out, so the knee would be perfect for that. An evenflow DDT to "finish off" opponents who are hit by the knee is a good idea too, or both as their own powerful finishers. He needs to be more brutal than other wrestlers on the roster, he's 6'4 so he's not a small guy either.
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He needs a finisher that's believable to knock anyone out, so the knee would be perfect for that. An evenflow DDT to "finish off" opponents who are hit by the knee is a good idea too, or both as their own powerful finishers. He needs to be more brutal than other wrestlers on the roster, he's 6'4 so he's not a small guy either.
I think the Evenflow DDT is sufficient enough. I just never saw the knee trembler as being a really credible finisher. Might just be me, but I can never believe the impact it has, even if it is supposed to look like its going to knock someone out. Maybe because no one can really use it correctly in a way that makes it believable.

It just doesn't look high-impact to me and more like a subtle bump to the side of the head. Now, if he could make the knee look stiff as fuck as John Morrison did all the time, I would be fine with it.

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I think the Evenflow DDT is sufficient enough. I just never saw the knee trembler as being a really credible finisher. Might just be me, but I can never believe the impact it has, even if it is supposed to look like its going to knock someone out. Maybe because no one can really use it correctly in a way that makes it believable.

It just doesn't look high-impact to me and more like a subtle bump to the side of the head. Now, if he could make the knee look stiff as fuck as John Morrison did all the time, I would be fine with it.

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Yeah that's why I want the DDT as the move to finish them off, the knee just never seems like a good finisher now, like the sleeper hold for example.
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In what way is a knee like a sleeper hold? Are you suggesting that it's been kicked out of so many times that it's not legitimate? Because if that's the case, the DDT is the last move you should EVER bring up. The DDT is the village bicycle of transitional moves, it's been kicked out of more times than Scott Hall at a bar. Randy Orton has a killer DDT that hasn't beaten ONE person, that's what the move has been reduced to. I don't know how it got to that point sadly, but we're there.

If you're trying to suggest it wouldn't hurt enough, I'd urge you to feel what your knee is made out of. It's not cotton candy.
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In what way is a knee like a sleeper hold? Are you suggesting that it's been kicked out of so many times that it's not legitimate? Because if that's the case, the DDT is the last move you should EVER bring up. The DDT is the village bicycle of transitional moves, it's been kicked out of more times than Scott Hall at a bar.

If you're trying to suggest it wouldn't hurt enough, I'd urge you to feel what your knee is made out of. It's not cotton candy.
A knee to the side of the skull/smashing in your face is brutal as hell, don't get me wrong. But the execution of the move makes it seem so weak and frail. You don't hear any thump, or a resounding smack like with Shawn Michael's SCM. Now, this could just be a problem with FCW talent not knowing how to sell certain moves. This could be the problem, and it wouldn't surprise me if this was the case.

With the way the move has been sold in most of Ambrose's matches, his opponent jerks in a sudden way and falls to the ground, but you only hear the sound of something that could be mistaken for kittens landing softly on a pillow. Yeah the effects look devastating, but the impact was lackluster, thus making the move seem so under-whelming.
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