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No Way Jose...

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#1 · (Edited)
What the fuck was that? This is seriously what they hyped us up for for a month? A guy who ends a match with a fake baseball pitch that's actually just a regular punch? Jesus, why don't you just inform the guy he's never gonna be a main roster act from the first day he signs a contract...

 
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#4 ·
I'll admit he was over at first, but the crowd seemed to lose interest as the match went on. But the whole salsa dancing, baseball moves (for some reason), and that finisher just totally lost my interest. There's no way this guy can ever be anything other than a low-card comedy act, and that's fine. But it all just seems as though the last month of hype videos is just going to be a waste of time.
 
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#3 ·
Well I do think he can eventually make the main roster since Adam Rose and Tyler Breeze did with their gimmick not everyone needs to be a main eventer and at least he has a character unlike Apollo.

I kinda liked him though he does a need a new finisher, that finisher was awful hopefully they change it like they did for Apollo.
 
#6 ·
Side note....how good is William Regal as the GM on NXT? His little segment with Elias Samson was done to perfection. Simple, concise and to the point and it's so satisfying to see him serve a heel every so often. When you compare this to the authority garbage that we've been seeing for the past 3 years, it's so refreshing to see an impartial figure who just books and doesn't take all the spotlight for himself.
 
#7 ·
Terrible finisher aside, it wasn't a bad debut. And everyone deserve vignettes and a little bit of hype - I wish Vince would know that.
 
#13 ·
Yea but that happened after a full reboot of his character and kinda by accident. Not saying this guy can't go anywhere...just not in this gimmick. There's more dancers in WWE right now than there are on Dancing with the Stars..
 
#19 · (Edited)
Yup. This is why I think the NXT praise is quasi deserved.

I mean yes, they have been for the past 2 or so years bringing in talent from other promotions all over the world and have been giving us dream matches, but when it comes to their own homegrown talent.....it's pretty terrible a lot of the time.

Gimmicks like The Ascension, The Vaudevillains, Adam Rose, Bull Dempsey, Tyler Breeze, CJ Parker, Sylvester LeFort Rusev the Evil Russian, Elias Samson, No Way Jose, are all gimmicks that seem like they are straight out of the early 90s "New Generation Era" of WWF and are blatantly not going to go anywhere this day and age. Now, of course, once every now and then one of the gimmicks will squeak through and get over, like The Wyatts, and Rusev would have never been as well received as he was as an anti-american heel without Lana, but most of the time these gimmicks are dead on arrival.
 
#25 · (Edited)
I've been feeling this way about NXT for a long time. The only truly successful talents from NXT are the ones coming from the indies with their own gimmicks and characters. Nearly all of the homegrown gimmicks from NXT are all cringeworthy and guaranteed duds. NXT is successful because it lets the indie and non WWE stars do their thing undeterred. Whenever it tries create it's own star it tends to fail with creatively inept gimmicks like No Way Jose.

Does this gimmick have a future????

...No Way Jose
 
#20 ·
yeah after the hype his debut was a little lackluster. But the fans did look like they were digging No Way Jose so this could just be the beginning of other fans getting behind him. I can totally see this being another Adam Rose deal. Where the party atmosphere is way over in smaller venues and with NXT fans but flops on the main roster.
 
#22 ·
The fuck do you guys expect, exactly? Do what you did with every other ex-indie guy who came through and look up his past career to see what he's about. Were you surprised that Owens came in doing the same damn thing he did as Kevin Steen? No? Then why are you all surprised No Way Jose is doing the same thing he did as Manny Garcia? Hell you guys are in this section a lot more than me and I even posted a video just a couple days ago showing what he's like.

You know what I got from his debut? He's talented. Maybe not a great wrestler but he's clearly not ready for the big leagues and is one of those guys who actually NEEDS to use NXT for its supposed purpose and that is to develop. He has charisma and that is hard to doubt. His gimmick has been boiled down to the point where it's just a guy who dances and does goofy shit in the ring and that is not his only capability nor should it be treated as such.

The reason someone like this gets such a shit debut, is because NXT would rather dedicate useless fucking thirteen minutes to Finn Balor and his fucking lego collection THREE TIMES OVER than they would like to dedicate to a new debut getting some decent vignettes or at least a proper god damn debut.

Yea, I'm so fucking mad about this thread. It's another guy who has genuine talent who needs to be given the chance to develop that in front of a television, who won't get that chance because people are too complacent with 90% of the show being dedicated to people who don't. Not only that, but then instead of being accepting that 10% of that show might not be the best it can be - because 10% is not ample time for these guys to prove themselves or even develop anything to then prove - NXT fans prefer to tout whoever the subject is, as someone who's not worth being on TV.

It's happening with Samson, who has been given a half-push through the lower midcard of the supposed developmental show and has been met with negative to average reception by the vast majority of people. Now he's going to be having a relatively short match with Nakamura who will inevitably win the match and make Samson look like both a waste of time and a waste of space.

The reason why someone like Samson gets jobbed out isn't because "that's just how it goes", but it's because the NXT 'universe' can't get over themselves and/or accept developmental talent on NXT anymore, to the point where if someone isn't impressive with the absolute lack of time they get to prove themselves as well as the undeniable lack of time to evolve or portray their gimmick which is accentuated by their reliance on a gimmick to get over due to not being able to come in as whoever they were beforehand, creative basically drop them.

This is so close to a catch-22 for these guys and it's horrific.
 
#26 ·
It's pretty disingenuous to suggest that Sampson didn't get time to show his skills or develop his character. He's gotten a lot of time and he's unfortunately just not that impressive, and I say that as someone who generally supports new talent. He needs a real feud. NXT would benefit from a mid-card title of some kind, I think, for guys like that. Could he improve? Probably. Corbin did, quite a bit so, but Corbin also had a much, much better start.

That being said... there are plenty of people who debuted in NXT recently with no fanfare, no segments, and barely any time at all that immediately shined. Biff Busick and Rich Swann both debuted in singles competition recently and looked very, very impressive. I watch NXT every week with a group of casual fans - people who know genuinely nothing about wrestling outside of the weekly shows except what I tell them - and they all loved both guys after their debut 5-minute matches and left those nights talking about them.

And yes, I know that both guys have more experience than Sampson or Jose, and that your argument is that NXT is a developmental show and these new guys without independent wrestling experience need time to develop. That's pretty true and I agree (see my comment about the mid-card title above). But "developmental" is about more than developing new, low-tier guys. The fact is that with so many performers getting hurt lately, NXT's value as a brand that develops main-event talent-in-waiting cannot be understated. Finn Balor and Samoa Joe could both debut as WWE main-event or upper mid-card talent tomorrow and people would immediately accept them. That's not because of their body of work outside of WWE - that's because both guys have developed a following and a brand in NXT, and NXT's fanbase is slowly but surely bleeding over into the casual wrestling fan.

Also, fuck the haters, Jose was awesome.
 
#23 · (Edited)
What an absolute atrocious disaster. These BS dancing gimmicks fail EVERY TIME so miserably yet the company and it's wrestlers don't learn. I bet this guy thinks he has a big future just because the NXT crowd latches onto stupid shit they can chant with. He is a guaranteed main roster failure as proven time and time again.
 
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#33 · (Edited)
Lol yeah i saw the look on his face when they was chanting with him and no doubt he was thinking "YES! I'M REALLY OVER! I"M GONNA GET PUSHED TO THE MOON BABY!". But like you said the NXT fans will chant for all kinds of stupid shit like that. The fucking Ascension was over as hell in NXT, nuff said.

Soon as he debuts on Raw he'll get crickets and turn into Fandango by only working Main Event and occasionally jobbing on Raw. But yeah dude definitely thinks he's got a great future because the fans was behind him in that debut, its kind of sad really that he thinks that. Someone needs to inform him those fans will chant along with any dumb fucking gimmick that comes along. Hate to break it to him but the only thing in his future is a jobber comedy tag team with Fandango.

Also wtf was with that dumb baseball shit he was doing? He's a dancer but for some reason mid match he starts doing baseball taunts like he has a bat and he's throwing a pitch. Just random stupid shit.

And for anyone on here saying "Hey he's over and the fans was having a good time this was a great debut" don't judge a talent or a debut on the fans at NXT, those dumb fans will get behind anything retarded, a guy could come out in a chicken costume juggling eggs and he'd be as over as The Rock down there. This guy is awful and i can't believe how so many on here are being so positive with this guy just because he was over with those idiot fans.

And of course we have a select few that will come to the defense of any developmental talent that isn't from the indies saying "Hey this is what NXT is for these new guys to develop" and yeah i'm all for new developmental guys getting a chance, but this guys gimmick is shit. How many dancing gimmicks do we need? We already got 4 or 5 on the main roster right now who dance and Swann also dances and he's in NXT.
 
#28 ·
No way Jose talking to Vince:

NWJ: Mr McMahon, am I going to be in a main event of Wrestlemania?
Vince: No Way Jose!

 
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#36 ·
That finisher was god damn terrible and I can imagine that his movements and mannerisms will get a bit aggravating with time, but.... I'll be damned if there wasn't a few things there that actually made me laugh. not Laugh Out Loud roaring, but he did get some chuckles from me. I think the makings of a perfectly fine comedy act to make people act is there, he just needs to refine it a bit. And for the love of god, get him a proper finisher, please!
 
#39 ·
It was a bit 'meh' truth be told. I was expecting something completely different from the vignettes.

He looks reasonably competent in the ring, the dancing I'm really not so sure on. Time will tell if he can get over. The finisher has to change though. When you spend the match trading blows with a guy, to then have a punch as a signature/finisher always perplexes me, looking at Roman's Superman Punch and Big Show's KO Punch here too, plus others I'm sure I've missed! If you've got a 'KO punch in your arsenal you'd hit it off the bat and have an easy night. It's sports entertainment but it does have to be believable to an extent.
 
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