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Eva Marie vs Billie Kay

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#1 ·
I was almost about to say Eva had improved a lot, but then she managed to yet again botch a kickout. Plus she still can't even do the sliced bread finisher. Billie was practically. doing it to herself
 
#4 ·
yeah she is painful cringe to watch. her ring is all too slow, predictable and obvious and his been employed for 2 years and only started trying a few months ago ? she is stealing a living. people have a right to be boo and dislike she is employed by the top wrestling company in the world and can't perform and sucks at every aspect. she comes across well and good person but its baffling the E does thing. they shy away from woman who love wrestling and are busting their asses on the indies to get noticed but WWE are more interested than models with no passion who know nothing about the business.
 
#16 ·
The biggest issue here for me is that

Eva vs Billy Kay was the same match as Eva vs Carmella was the same match as Eva vs whomever she faced on her NXT re-debut....

They basically have sent Eva out there with ONE match memorized and even making it THAT SIMPLE for her she is still struggling. Now I am not saying she can not get better, but she is not at a level where she should be getting the TV time she is.
 
#26 ·
Her issue is that she's so slow paced and there's no flow, she needs to carefully and cautiously set up everything. Her finisher is that she just carefully walks up the ropes and has to be guided back down. It's all so... well, to use the phrase that everyone's using, it's wooden.

Lita said something to Sara Lee on Tough Enough is that her biggest issue is that she's still afraid to get hurt and that's the main obstacle that stops people from learning how to wrestle and without overcoming the fear of getting hurt, she'll get nowhere training wise. I think Eva's in the same category, she's still afraid to get hurt, so everything has to be carefully planned.
 
#53 · (Edited)
Meanwhile, back in reality, this is what the Sliced Bread actually looked like.

Not moving in slow motion as Eva Marie very slowly steps up the ropes, then her opponent barely manages to get her overhead. Kendrick actually runs up the ropes, giving momentum for his opponent to easily assist him flipping back over and you know, making the move look good instead of a farce.

She's got the look though, and the media likes her. If someones marketable you're best off using them, same thing with Strowman and his current role.
Who gives a fuck about her look? All the divas are hot. They all look glamourous. She's no more hot than the rest of them. Becky Lynch has model level looks, yet she can actually, you know, wrestle. Like a wrestler. Eva Marie has nothing other than a look. No charisma, no personality, apparently not an ounce of athleticism, and no connection to the crowds. Before you go "but she gets heat!". She is booed because she's crap at wrestling and is like she's from that terrible 2006-2011 period of Divas wrestling where they'd do nothing but pay some models to stumble around the ring playing wrestler.

Strowman in his current role is not doing well at all, so that's a terrible example.
 
#6 ·
I'm torn on this. After watching a few episodes of total divas, she really does come off as a likable person. She's just soooo wooden in the ring tho... it's like she's struggling to wade through water or something. I know you need your opponent to push off for the flip of sliced bread, but I don't ever recall Brian needing help to run up each turnbuckle. It's cringe worthy to watch.

I don't have a problem with her getting training. Even if it is after two whole years. At least she didn't wait for 8 like some twin divas we all know.... I just don't think it's ever gonna get there. You can't teach the athleticism and explosiveness she so glaringly lacks. Fans of hers better just get used to negging her detractors because the problems she has in the ring are gonna be with her for the long haul. I feel bad for her, but her fan base takes a lot of the sting out of it lol.
 
#28 ·
30 is a bit late to be starting a wrestling career anyway, especially for a woman (They typically stop performing before 40). Your average wrestler will have had at the very least 3 years experience before they start to really get the hang of things, and that's if they're a fast learner, and it's evident Eva is not a fast learner. By the time Eva is starting to get to any kind of acceptable standard to be in the ring for the biggest company out there, she's going to be 35/36, and by that point, why invest?


I think this explains why they're pushing her already. If they don't push her now, then it'll be too late, whether she ever learns to wrestle or not. It literally was now or never with Eva, otherwise they just have another Rosa Mendez on their hands.
 
#9 · (Edited)
She's definitely improved, though. My only real criticism is that she needs to up her overall pace in the ring (theres much more I can nitpick on, but she's not AJ freakin' Styles so I'll give her a break). Everything comes across as if you're watching a match at 3/4 speed... maybe that's why they sent her down to developmental... just sayin'
 
#10 ·
Obviously Eva Marie is not really talented enough to be some kind of a mega superstar in WWE. But at least I can say that the amount heat she gets is really tough to see even for some more established wrestlers on the main roster. Slight problem with this is that she gets X-Pac heat but for me that is better than getting no heat at all like some other wrestlers in WWE.
 
#11 ·
But, no matter if she actually improves, she'd always have that reputation, and she'll always get that heat to some extent. It sucks (for her), but if they can use it to leverage her as a true heel, along with real improvement in the ring, she could see a bit of success.

And even if they decide she can't/shouldn't wrestle, she could really become a top-quality heat generating valet/manager.
 
#31 ·
This. I'm more disappointed with NXT than Eva. Have some common sense about it and don't put her on TV if she's not ready. And clearly she's not ready.

Also, I don't care if you're Lesnar, if you can't come close to kicking out before the three, the ref needs to count it. The ref should not be bailing someone out like that. That was one of the worst things I've ever seen on WWE TV.
 
#22 ·
She has progressed quite a bit, but she still has far to go. This is developmental and she is developing. Hopefully her in ring will match the incredible aura she exudes. She has the presence of a star, she just needs to have everything click and flow more naturally than it is right now. I'm certainly not giving up on her. The improvement she has shown is testament to her desire to succeed and I think she may just surprise her detractors. Time will tell.
 
#33 ·
That match was awful, and it sure wasn't due to Billie Kay.

And when someone thinks something like this, that's when you know you're not doing your job as a performer and a wrestler. But she's no wrestler, so that makes sense.
 
#23 ·
She messed up a simple senton once again, needs help actually setting up the Sliced Bread which shouldn't happen, blows kisses 10 times a match and then botches a kickout.

I feel sorry for Billie, Peyton and Carmella for actually having to do the job, it's embarrassing.

Eva just makes it all look fake because there's no timing or flow to the match.
 
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#24 ·
I don't blame Eva, I blame WWE. I really feel like they rushed things AGAIN. They should have wait few more months and then when Eva would have an ok 3 star TV match the crowd would be stunned.
 
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#35 ·
Yeah, exactly this. If she was some prodigy and she was getting older then yeah, push her to the moon. But she shows nothing exceptional, she clearly isn't read for an internationally broadcast wrestling show, and they're putting her over women who are far more advanced and experienced than she is. Why? What sense does it make? She draws nuclear heat but it's because she's incompetent, how does that justify a push?

30 is a bit late to be starting a wrestling career anyway, especially for a woman (They typically stop performing before 40). Your average wrestler will have had at the very least 3 years experience before they start to really get the hang of things, and that's if they're a fast learner, and it's evident Eva is not a fast learner. By the time Eva is starting to get to any kind of acceptable standard to be in the ring for the biggest company out there, she's going to be 35/36, and by that point, why invest?


I think this explains why they're pushing her already. If they don't push her now, then it'll be too late, whether she ever learns to wrestle or not. It literally was now or never with Eva, otherwise they just have another Rosa Mendez on their hands.
This is a reasonable point but like I said, she shows nothing special. Just release her? You're paying her and she's providing your show/ company with nothing. It's almost like someone vouched for her and they've been embarrassed now but they can't admit they were wrong.
 
#36 ·
There's no denying she has definitely improved since her last appearance on Raw however in her 3 televised NXT matches there hasn't been an ounce of improvement because they have essentially been the same match just with 3 different opponents. Her matches are choreographed to a tee and yet she is still messing up, can't do her senton, fucks up her kick out and performs her finishing move way too slow.

The fact that Eva is looking this burnt out and slow in choreographed 3mins matches does not bode well, how is she going to be able to work a 5-10mins match that is more off the cuff with improvisation. Jeez if the rumors are true and they want her to take the title off Bayley eventually at a Takeover special she's going to have to work a 15mins match, it's just not going to happen, Eva doesn't have IT. Sure she's gorgeous (as is every other diva), but she's wooden in the ring, talks like a robot and clearly doesn't have the memory or cardio to work a decent match.
 
#41 ·
That botch was terrible. She needs to pay attention. Honestly, the refs need to stop slowing down on the 3 count. It completely exposed how bad their system is for setting up near falls.

As far as Eva Marie goes. My opinion on her hasn't changed. She's improved tremendously since her debut, but that's not saying much. She isn't a natural. Her biggest problem is that she is not an athlete. Considering that she is 30 years old, it's going to be harder for her to match the skill of someone like Bayley or Sasha, because her physical capacity is diminishing. Eva Marie is on the tail end of her physical prime. She will have to work 100x harder than the younger women to even touch their level. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that she can't, but the odds are against her.
 
#42 ·
Yes she has improved but going from a F to a D is not actually NXT championship material yet. I actually read somewhere she was a pretty good soccer player at one time, so she has some athletic skill but at the time pro wrestling is not her forte. Was actually shocked to read that she is 30 years old already, shes almost as old as Natalya who according to WWE management, is ready to become an ambassador and not a full time wrestler anymore.
 
#44 ·
So who got negged by Loudon in here?

:Rollins
 
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#56 ·
And this is the woman who they apparently are hell bent on pushing and has all these reports about her winning the NXT womens title at the UK Takeover.

Has Eva improved? Yes. However, that really isn't saying much as her ring skills went from utter shit to still being bad. That's just how it is right now, she's not shit anymore but she's still far from a good worker and has A LOT to work on.

I don't understand why they feel the need to strike on these talents so fast. They've pushed many talents too fast too soon and it never works. The most recent was Reigns and Eva will be next.

The girl is far from ready. Give her AT LEAST another year, see where she is and if she's far enough along, then push her. Now is not the time though.
 
#64 ·
I couldn't honestly say she hasn't improved at all. If you watch any of her previous Raw or Smackdown matches, all of her NXT matches have been signifantly better, but at the same time significantly worse than any other wrestler on the roster.

I even think she kind of improved from her first NXT match to her latest, but her rate of improvement is geological. Every other person on that roster is improving at a significantly faster rate; Even the Baron Corbins & Dana Brookes of the roster.

She really has to get a grasp of basic psychology & execution, not to mention everything else outside of actually wrestling.
 
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