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Old 07-07-2014, 04:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Is Triple H missing the point of NXT?

Let me preface things by saying I love NXT, its my favorite WWE product.

That being said it's still the developmental show but the focus doesn't seem to be on development. Each week we see a 10 or 15 minute match with 2 established wrestlers and yeah they're great matches but what development purpose do they serve? We know Zayn and Neville can wrestle but can they play a character, can they act? Main roster fans aren't going to care about them just because they can wrestle. Zayn doesn't have a character but at least has charisma and comfortability on the mic, Neville has none of the above.

I get that they have to put on an entertaining show and they're kinda building a story, albeit extremely slowly, so why not have a 5-7 minute match like the kind they'll be working on Raw and bookend those matches with promos and segments. They need to be finding these guys charactes that can transfer well to the main roster and the mic skills to get them over, look how bad Big E and Paige are doing. They should have been cutting a ton of live promos leading to their call ups, sure 400 ppl is different than 14000 but it might've helped. Talent with in ring skills, defined characters and at least the ability to cut taped promos like Breeze, Graves (before the injuries), Sasha, Bayley and Ascension(obviously can't talk but they don't need to) should only be used occasionally to help newer talents and should only feud as a reason to cut promos. I don't think these specific ppl are necessarily the best but they need less tv time to work out their kinks.

Theres so much talent that need tv time, Big Cass should've gotten a long tv match already, even before the injury Enzo should've gotten a real match. Why hasn't Baron Corbin been on tv in months? Wheres Slate Randall and Solomon Crowe? Why has Mojo Rawley had 10 squash matches where he does the exact same thing, how's that helping anyone?

HHH can still try to give guys like Kidd and Gabriel second chances, just let them wrestle with someone we haven't seen before. There's no rule that says you have to get squashed for weeks before you make your "real" debut and then do the squashing for weeks is there? Did RVD need to put over the undefeated in 2014 NXT champion? Couldn't he have wrestled Jason Jordan instead, not put him over but pick up a hard fought win like Ziggler did for Rusev? Anybody notice how they went from 1 tag team to like 6 overnight? How are we ever going to see a proper number one contender get built before Ascension gets called up, they'll probably still be holding them when it happens

I think there's a way to entertain and develop ppl at the same time and HHH isn't making the best use of that 1 hour a week, maybe if NXT was 2 hours I could see giving established guys more ring time.

Or maybe im missing the point and there's a reason they're slow rolling talent
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Old 07-07-2014, 05:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is Triple H missing the point of NXT?

WWE got promo class for wrestlers in developmental and NXT have house show too so i guess they testing the water before doing it on TV, Solomon Crowe actually do house show and lost a ton of weights
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Depends on what HHH sees as the point of NXT: his career development or the development of talent for main roster. HHH was given responsibility for NXT and he made it the biggest empire he could and the biggest show he could create. It can sometimes be great to watch and has gone up in the ratings so probably good for his reputation in the company

The problem is that it no longer works that well as a development ground; it has become its own “indy” promotion. Main problems are:

Gimmicks are developed for what works in a small venue and they can become a dead end or fail to be translated for whatever reason

Wrestlers stay for far too long in Development. Multiple repackages of the same people. People around for years getting stale

It is way too big. The Performance Center has room for 100 people. That is very expensive and a massive attrition rate for a few superstars. Creative clearly can’t develop plots for this many.

It needs to be smaller with faster development and more creative investment on each person, doesn’t need as much production/staging, use wrestlers with more indy experience or recruit inexperienced guys for a specific reason
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They also train cameramen, announcers, crew people, etc too. And a lot of NXT talent are on the road with the rest of the roster. They do house shows and perform in between Superstars/RAW and Main Event/SD.
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Default Re: Is Triple H missing the point of NXT?

Agreed OP. That's one of the reasons I preferred FCW, both as a developmental system and a TV product. NXT is over-produced and like someone said, it has become more like an indy promotion than a developmental show. Which I guess is good if they're trying to sell the Network and sell the product, but probably not as good for actual development of wrestlers for the main roster. Maybe the talent in FCW was just better, I don't know, but seeing a bunch of 2 minute squash matches and then a 15-20 minute Neville/Zayn/Kidd match every week doesn't really do anything for anyone.

I still think they could solve a lot of problems by bringing back the FCW15 Championship, which would give the less established guys actual ring-time and potentially interesting rivalries. As it is, we've just got people doing squash matches for months and months and going nowhere, there doesn't seem to be any upward progression for these rookies once they're put on the show.
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Default Re: Is Triple H missing the point of NXT?

I think the direction of NXT changed when the network went live. There was a report saying that there will be no new debuts on the main roster for a long time. This was due to trying to establish a familiar roster for viewers to watch week in, week out. This of course does not help developmental like you have mentioned OP.

This is the reason behind it all (if the report was true/correct/accurate. I agree that it needs to go back to its roots and start debuting guys and seeing if they get reactions from the full sail audience. See how they go, give them matches and promo time. Give them the opportunity.

I'm a fan of Justin Gabriel and Tyson Kidd's in ring work, I guess they are still in development as management sees a lot in them and they want them to succeed and therefore have sent them back in to hone their skills like the others coming through the ranks.
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but seeing a bunch of 2 minute squash matches and then a 15-20 minute Neville/Zayn/Kidd match every week doesn't really do anything for anyone.
Totally agree. Last week was like this. Zayn/Gabriel was good but just like all the other Zayn/somebody matches. Divas match was good enough. Then two pointless 2 minute matches.

(1) Big Cass/Lefort - you could have blinked and missed it. Lefort goes backwards and Big Cass doesn't show anything
(2) CJ Parker/rookie. Parker at least cuts a decent promo after but what was the point of recruiting a bland 5ft10 rookie as an opponent for this kind of thing? Neither showed anything in the match and a similar indy guy could have been brought in to get beaten on for $100.

An expensive way to fail to develop anyone.
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NXT is bigger than the one hour a week you get on tv/network.
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Default Re: Is Triple H missing the point of NXT?

I have to disagree. The NXT television show exists only to put over characters and that's exactly what they're doing. Squash matches are very useful to put over characters. They have plenty of time to have long matches and work on their ring work during their week and also on live events on weekends.

Giving mic time on NXT to people who can't talk serves no real purpose, they should be training promos in the performance center and shouldn't be given mic time until they're ready to do it. NXT is not the place to train, NXT is for people who're already prepared for TV and only need time to work on their characters and see what works in a weekly television show like Raw and what doesn't.
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I have to disagree. The NXT television show exists only to put over characters and that's exactly what they're doing. Squash matches are very useful to put over characters. They have plenty of time to have long matches and work on their ring work during their week and also on live events on weekends.

Giving mic time on NXT to people who can't talk serves no real purpose, they should be training promos in the performance center and shouldn't be given mic time until they're ready to do it. NXT is not the place to train, NXT is for people who're already prepared for TV and only need time to work on their characters and see what works in a weekly television show like Raw and what doesn't.
Do you really feel after a year of tv time that either Zayn or Neville have defined characters that can make it on the main roster? How are their characters in any way different from each other? This wouldn't be such a problem if Zayn wasn't minutes away from a debut. Smiling babyface indy guy who skanks to the ring isn't going to get over with the crowds.

Squash matches help guys like Rusev or Big E get their characters over but what did they do for Aiden English's first run? What are they doing for Mojo Rawley? Neither guy are supposed to be unstoppable behemoths. You saw what happened to Rawley when he met a real behemoth, that was a prime opportunity to start a storyline but nope next week back to squashes. Has the hypemans in ring contributions done anything to make you connect with him?

And Im not advocating giving the mic to complete noobs but cutting taped promos and doing promo class in front of 30 of your peers isn't going to help you get comfortable in front of crowds. Big E and Paige are both extremely and very obviously nervous everytime they get on a live mic and I don't remember either cutting a lot of in ring promos, Bo Dallas isn't nervous on a live mic and I remember him cutting a lot of live promos. Charlotte is about to get called up too, if she debuts next week on Raw and has to call AJ out in front of 14000 ppl do you think shes prepared?
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