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04-08-2012, 02:07 AM
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Re: Official General Superstars Weekly TV Show Discussion Thread
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Kidd and Hunico are gold in the ring.
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Man Hunico and Kidd are just amazing ring workers and the match was pretty good.
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Watched the Hunico vs Tyson Kidd match earlier and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Great back-and-forth match between two great and very underrated in-ring talents.
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Originally Posted by Segunda Caida
Kidd/Hunico was disappointing I thought. Opening sequences were fun and established a hierarchy of Kidd dominating the mat exchanges but the commercial break killed the portion of Hunico's workover which sucked since I could imagine him working a bunch of rad submissions to target the arm. Kidd also really wasn't selling it all that well, I hate to compare him to guys like Masters and Christian who are exquisite face workers but those guys repeatedly worked spots that exposed their injury, something like Kidd going for a tornado DDT despite having the injured arm and not working a spot whereby he couldn't hit the move the first time just bothered me because I know if you had someone like Bourne, Masters or Christian in that match they'd be adding these subtle touches which would just make the match better.
Finish was rather good in setting up a rematch, but yeah the commercial break killing Hunico's heat section and the lack of incorporation of the injured limb into any spots or the finish really bothered me and stopped the match from becoming 'really good'. Kidd's still not selling me as a great worker yet, expert wrestler capable of some great sequences but he doesn't seem to have the desire to throw in these subtle touches into matches that the better workers will think to do.
Special mention to Hunico taking the Jerry Estrada bump and then doing an Arn Anderson esque 'I'm too smart to fall on my ass' bit of schtick to the audience before turning into a running kick from Kidd, by far my favourite sequence of the match.
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Good review, though I don't think any superstars on RAW or SmackDown at that actually sell any limb injury and I don't think many have since maybe the mid 00's.
I wouldn't be particularly surprised if Kidd is just not bothering selling because of his place in the low-low cards (For whatever reason), considering he's worked in Japan I think he would know a lot about selling.
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04-08-2012, 06:16 AM
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#512 (permalink)
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Re: Official General Superstars Weekly TV Show Discussion Thread
I'd say there's actually quite a bit of good limb selling in WWE when they get the chance, Matt Hardy, Chris Masters and Christian in particular worked a lot of matches based around a limb of theirs getting targeted and working it into the match: admittedly Hardy's spell was back in 2006 and 2007 but Masters and Christian were more recent.
Obviously it depends on how much time they get, since you can't really expect a focused limb attack and good selling in a sub 5 minute match, I'm probably being a little too harsh on both but I know Hunico can work a good control segment and Kidd obviously has the intelligence to work a weakened limb into his offence.
Actually before I forget the Punk/Bryan match from Raw (1/30?) had some awesome limb selling by Punk, the spot where he switches from a left arm bulldog to a right armed bulldog because Bryan has fucked up his left arm throughout the match was a perfect payoff to the earlier work.
Still, Hunico and Kidd definitely have a better match in them and with the finish its possible they'll be given the chance sooner rather than later.
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04-08-2012, 10:51 AM
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Re: Official General Superstars Weekly TV Show Discussion Thread
Really liked that Hunico vs Tyson Kidd match. I am always a fan of those random match-ups and especially when it's two guys who can work in the ring.
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04-14-2012, 11:49 AM
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Re: Official General Superstars Weekly TV Show Discussion Thread
To be honest I didn't enjoy Superstars this week. Hawkins vs Kingston wasn't as good as it could have been, didn't watch the divas crap, and Zeke vs Mahal was what you would expect..terrible. After that it was all RAW recap.
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04-14-2012, 02:11 PM
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Re: Official General Superstars Weekly TV Show Discussion Thread
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To be honest I didn't enjoy Superstars this week. Hawkins vs Kingston wasn't as good as it could have been, didn't watch the divas crap, and Zeke vs Mahal was what you would expect..terrible. After that it was all RAW recap.
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You're right. Outside of Hawkins vs Kingston which I enjoyed even though it was not that good, the rest was pure crap. At least pair Jackson with a guy like Hunico to see what he can do with him.
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04-14-2012, 02:39 PM
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Re: Official General Superstars Weekly TV Show Discussion Thread
Just watched the Kidd vs Hunico match from last week and it was a awsome match, and both guys came out looking great, why the hell wasn't this match on smackdown is whats bothering me. Kidd is such a misused talent, he always put on great matches 
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04-14-2012, 07:33 PM
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Re: Official General Superstars Weekly TV Show Discussion Thread
Gotta agree with others thoughts on this weeks Superstars, Zeke vs. Mahal was what you'd expect (pretty bad) but at least Mahal won and got a lot of crowd heat. Hawkins vs. Kofi was disappointing to be honest, I thought they'd have a much better match. Didn't watch the Kelly/Brie Bella match.
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04-15-2012, 08:02 AM
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Re: Official General Superstars Weekly TV Show Discussion Thread
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You're right. Outside of Hawkins vs Kingston which I enjoyed even though it was not that good, the rest was pure crap. At least pair Jackson with a guy like Hunico to see what he can do with him.
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Why? Jinder is a better wrestler than Zeke anyway (which still isn't saying much).
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04-15-2012, 08:21 AM
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Re: Official General Superstars Weekly TV Show Discussion Thread
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Why? Jinder is a better wrestler than Zeke anyway (which still isn't saying much).
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Because at least Zeke has the body and the look. If he became any good in the ring I think he could have a future. Jinder on the other hand has no redeeming qualities whatsoever, at least in my opinion.
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04-15-2012, 08:31 AM
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Re: Official General Superstars Weekly TV Show Discussion Thread
Zeke's not going to become any good in the ring, so that's a moot point. He has huge muscles, but I don't consider that a selling point either. If anything, I'd say Jinder has a (much) better look. Also, Jinder is capable of speaking. His biggest issue right now is the generic gimmick that they give to pretty much every foreign heel.
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