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Old 01-11-2014, 09:44 AM   #541 (permalink)
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Tried listening to Velvet Underground's debut LP last night. First three tracks threw me for a complete loop, to say the least.

Was totally expecting punk rock or some shit, based on what I vaguely heard about them on a Lou Reed tribute one time. I should probably look these things up beforehand

Still though, this sounds dope.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:52 AM   #542 (permalink)
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Not really a fan of black metal, but symphonic BM is much more accessible to me since I see it like an intense style of gothic metal. Graveworm, Dimmu Borgir, Abigail Williams and what I've heard from early Rotting Christ have become welcomed music to me.

Mercyful Fate and Immortal (though not enough) are other BM bands that deserve shout-outs as well.
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Old 01-11-2014, 11:23 AM   #543 (permalink)
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I keep plugging Deafheaven to my BM friends. I usually say something like, 'I don't know if it's exactly BM, but it borrows from it liberally.'
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I don't like the poor production of most of black metal bands, but there's some good few bands like.

Dark Funeral
Mayhem
Dimmu Borgir

I think the guy who kill the guitarist of Mayhem is free now, and had a band named Burzum.
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Agreed with Rotting Christ, fucking love that band. Went on a binge a few months back where all I'd listen to was their stuff.
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Note taken, asdf. Sick track too.

Dimmu Borgir love is the constant I share here. Tony's impression on more of a "symphonic" Black Metal variety is along my tastes too. A lot of the time it's the vocals from the 'exact' definition of that metal brand which is the deal breaker. Poor production hinders things too. Only if it is so poor the sound quality of the music has no redeeming qualities. If it's not too bad, I usually don't mind it.
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The "bad" production of Black Metal is what makes certain Black Metal great. It gives it that atmosphere, ambiance and rawness which adds a lot of depth to the music. It's not easy to get into but once you do....oh boy. Projects like Paysage d'Hiver, Darkspace, Fell Voices etc. are fantastic. There are some that get it really wrong however.

Totally clean production can really ruin a black metal band/project too. I hate some black metal that is too clean. It defeats the whole point of black metal.

I like Dimmu Borgir still, at least their first 4 albums until they went completely cheesy and over the top with the symphonic nature of their sound. Newer Dimmu these days is overbearing to say the least. The Symphonic element should compliment the black metal, not completely over take it. That's what makes Emperor so successful for example.

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Old 01-12-2014, 06:36 AM   #548 (permalink)
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The "bad" production of Black Metal is what makes certain Black Metal great. It gives it that atmosphere, ambiance and rawness which adds a lot of depth to the music. It's not easy to get into but once you do....oh boy. Projects like Paysage d'Hiver, Darkspace, Fell Voices etc. are fantastic. There are some that get it really wrong however.

Totally clean production can really ruin a black metal band/project too. I hate some black metal that is too clean. It defeats the whole point of black metal.
Yeah this, I tend to gravitate to the rawer end of BM anyway, production itself is not so important as atmosphere, and that grim diabolical atmosphere I look for in BM is better served with a distant, obscure sounding anti-production job, wether it be by intentional design like the Les Legions Noires bands, or they just couldnt afford/didnt know any better like early Burzum.

Not that everything needs to be like that, the likes of Emperor or Deathspell Omega need a bit more space in their sound and a better production to get their thing across but again atmosphere is the most important thing.

The likes of Deafheaven and their ilk do nothing for me, I can see why people like them but it totally lacks that all important atmosphere I look for in BM, they just sound like post-rock bands playing really fast to me.

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Tried listening to Velvet Underground's debut LP last night. First three tracks threw me for a complete loop, to say the least.

Was totally expecting punk rock or some shit, based on what I vaguely heard about them on a Lou Reed tribute one time. I should probably look these things up beforehand

Still though, this sounds dope.
I remember having a simlar reaction first time I heard them, had read loads about them and was expecting it to sound like The Stooges or something and didnt understand this weirdo art music I was hearing, took me a awhile to get it but once it clicked, oh man, one of the greatest albums ever, All Tomorrows Parties
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The likes of Deafheaven and their ilk do nothing for me, I can see why people like them but it totally lacks that all important atmosphere I look for in BM, they just sound like post-rock bands playing really fast to me.
Fair enough, though somewhat surprising. Truth be told, I don't particularly like putting the Black Metal label on them, just doesn't seem to fit right, but I can't seem to find anything comparable. They are using BM techniques to achieve a completely different atmospheric result, which is what fascinates me.
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Listened to Deafheaven"s "Dream House", Converge and BTBAM popped into my head. *shrugs*
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