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Old 12-13-2012, 12:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Why so much backlash against Auto-Tune?

I've decided to create a discussion thread covering the backlash against Auto-Tune, which is something that I personally find confusing. Even a few of those that embrace flashy artists have some kind of disdain for Auto-Tune. I honestly don't understand the correlation between perceived talentlessness and Auto-Tune usage. It can, and usually DOES, improve the quality of a song. I may be biased because I am a huge electronic music fan.

It is a preference thing? It is another bandwagoning scenario? Can we go even further, and suggest that such a backlash are reflective or generational differences? Discuss!
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why so much backlash against Auto-Tune?

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I honestly don't understand the correlation between perceived talentlessness and Auto-Tune usage.
Tell me why a talented singer needs auto-tune? Actually, don't bother. Let me tell you a few things.

A great singing voice doesn't mean perfection. Bob Dylan sounds like a cat being strangled half the time. Janis Joplin's voice used to break like her balls were dropping. Bruce Springsteen seems like he's having asthma attacks in a lot of his songs.

But what did they all have? Character. Passion. And an instantly identifiable individuality.

Auto-tuned voices have no character, no resonant passion, and make a lot of these tosspots sound exactly the same.


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It can, and usually DOES, improve the quality of a song.
I disagree, but not totally because 99.99999% of the music I listen to isn't auto-tuned. Can you provide two Youtube videos or links to somewhere that has two versions of the exact same song, one with and one without auto-tune? If not, then I don't know how you can claim it improves songs.

Unless you mean that without auto-tune we would have to hear the original and completely untalented voice of the twat who got signed on the basis that he looks good in a sideways cap.
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Default Re: Why so much backlash against Auto-Tune?

Personally, I don't mind it. What does bother me is dumbasses using it in the most obvious way. It's impossible to separate feeling from music but it's hard to take music seriously when the musician doesn't know why they're doing what they're doing aside from "I can't sing in tune" or "I wanted to throw in some cool sounds."
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Default Re: Why so much backlash against Auto-Tune?

T-Pain (who can actually sing and pretty much made his career with it) is the only one I don't mind using it, but even he's toned it down.

It just got to the point where every damn body was using it, especially people who have no business singing. You had rappers all of a sudden thinking they could switch lanes like people want to hear that garbage

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Default Re: Why so much backlash against Auto-Tune?

A ton of really great artists use autotune to some sort of extent. But I has a couple of problems with it. First of all, there was that point in time where EVERYBODY was doing it. I thought it was fine when it was just T-Pain (who, as the guy above me said, really is a capable singer without it), but when Kanye, Wayne, HUSSEIN FATAL, and even fucking REDMAN started using it, it was too much. Voice effects are only cool until EVERYBODY starts using them.

Second, rappers started using it completely the wrong way. The main offender of this was Wayne. The thing about autotune is that you still have to SING into it. T-Pain did that, Kanye did that, Wayne literally just talked into it. That's not how autotune is supposed to work.
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Default Re: Why so much backlash against Auto-Tune?



The exact moment autotune became played out as a vocal effect rather than a pitch corrector is the 2nd chorus of this song.

It's 2012 and people are still using something popularised by 90s Cher

As far as autotune for it's intended use of pitch correction - fuck it, it doesn't affect what I listen to, it isn't a big deal to me. However, if you want to be a singer and you want to make records, as far as I'm concerned you can take the route of singing lessons and working at getting good, or if you've got an 'interesting' voice that happens to have character (the Dylan example above is a good one), run with that. If you just sound like you can't sing in tune, then you're not cut out to be a singer. Sing for pleasure, join a band, get on stage at open mic nights, whatever - just don't have a producer make sure you're in perfect time & pitch using machines and computer programs.

tl;dr - good music is honest, autotune is a lie. Or a fucking annoying effect.

EDIT: the Bob Dylan example, not the 'I spit hot fire' Dylan
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Default Re: Why so much backlash against Auto-Tune?

Meh.. recording studios have had their own version of "autotune" called a sound board for a long time. A great percentage of the people you hear on the radio sound absolute shit in person without someone touching things up. It's how Brittany Spears got a singing career.. well that and dose teetas.

IMO autotune just sounds really really bad. It's a bad soundboard for the lazy and stupid.
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Default Re: Why so much backlash against Auto-Tune?

To me it almost completely destroys any passion or originality in a song, if abused. I'm not totally against sporadic use of it (i.e. in order to correct slight pitch inefficiencies) but when it gets to the point where the song sounds fake or the person using it has no business singing in the first place, then it gets on my wick.
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:19 PM   #9 (permalink)
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A ton of really great artists use autotune to some sort of extent. But I has a couple of problems with it. First of all, there was that point in time where EVERYBODY was doing it. I thought it was fine when it was just T-Pain (who, as the guy above me said, really is a capable singer without it), but when Kanye, Wayne, HUSSEIN FATAL, and even fucking REDMAN started using it, it was too much. Voice effects are only cool until EVERYBODY starts using them.

Second, rappers started using it completely the wrong way. The main offender of this was Wayne. The thing about autotune is that you still have to SING into it. T-Pain did that, Kanye did that, Wayne literally just talked into it. That's not how autotune is supposed to work.


Straight basura. Ruined what would have been a good T-Pain song
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Tell me why a talented singer needs auto-tune? Actually, don't bother. Let me tell you a few things.

A great singing voice doesn't mean perfection. Bob Dylan sounds like a cat being strangled half the time. Janis Joplin's voice used to break like her balls were dropping. Bruce Springsteen seems like he's having asthma attacks in a lot of his songs.

But what did they all have? Character. Passion. And an instantly identifiable individuality.

Auto-tuned voices have no character, no resonant passion, and make a lot of these tosspots sound exactly the same.
Auto-Tune isn't exclusively for voice modification. It can also be used as instrumentation. See the last three minutes of Kanye West's Runaway.



When used creatively, Auto-Tune does have a character and passion.

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I disagree, but not totally because 99.99999% of the music I listen to isn't auto-tuned. Can you provide two Youtube videos or links to somewhere that has two versions of the exact same song, one with and one without auto-tune? If not, then I don't know how you can claim it improves songs.

Unless you mean that without auto-tune we would have to hear the original and completely untalented voice of the twat who got signed on the basis that he looks good in a sideways cap.
I cannot.

But alas, this may be purely subjective debate.
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